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Konsaki
post Nov 6 2006, 09:23 PM
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Most smart parents will wait until their child is into puberty before installing cyber for the small chance that the kid might be awakened.
Also the fact that it is unknown what effects cyber would have on a developing child's body.
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post Nov 6 2006, 09:27 PM
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Also the fact that it is unknown what effects cyber would have on a developing child's body.

I disagree. The effects of cyber-implantation on infants has definitely been well researched.
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post Nov 6 2006, 09:33 PM
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A sane mother who wants what's best for her child will have a datajack implanted in the kid before he leaves the hospital for the first time. It is a perfectly safe procedure and the advantages of having it done early far outweigh the little annoyances.

The babies also *grow* quite fast, and they *change* a lot. The SR fiction often mentions that cyberware is *not* (special cases aside) implanted until the patient is old enough, at least in his/her teens.

Will a mother let the doctors put a hole into her child's skull and mess with his/her brain two times a year? And how many mothers will be able to afford this?
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post Nov 6 2006, 09:33 PM
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Would it be cost efficient however? How many times would you have to change the datajack as the child grew? Not to mention the baby/child sized decks. A childs head/brain isn't fully developed so you'd have to take out a bigger portion which could have adverse effects as they grow.
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post Nov 6 2006, 09:47 PM
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Let's not forget trodes. I'd be they make specialized headsets for children to develop with and use in schools, as well. It keeps the kids up to date with the tech, and prevents from putting cyberware into someone who could awaken one day down the road. Not likely, sure, but the wage parents of these kids know that their kids would be set if they turn wage mage, and wouldn't want to chance hurting their chances. Trodes might run a bit more than a datajack (I don't have my book nearby, and can't remember off the top of my head), but in the long run, what with having to replace the cyberware frequently as the child grows, it would be ultimately cheaper.
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post Nov 6 2006, 10:38 PM
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Any mother who won't have her child's skull opened up twice a year is a bad parent.

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post Nov 6 2006, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE (Danthrall @ Nov 6 2006, 04:47 PM)
Let's not forget trodes.  I'd be they make specialized headsets for children to develop with and use in schools, as well.  It keeps the kids up to date with the tech, and prevents from putting cyberware into someone who could awaken one day down the road.  Not likely, sure, but the wage parents of these kids know that their kids would be set if they turn wage mage, and wouldn't want to chance hurting their chances.  Trodes might run a bit more than a datajack (I don't have my book nearby, and can't remember off the top of my head), but in the long run, what with having to replace the cyberware frequently as the child grows, it would be ultimately cheaper.

It is unlikely that a datajack will have to be replaced regularly any more than it is likely than an ear piercing will be. Sure, the kid grows, but that just means that the jackport takes up less area relative to the size of his skull. He may need a brace to make sure it stays in place and the skull grows around it correctly, but that that can be installed in the initial surgery. The interbrain connections are, of course, handled by bioelectricity-powered nanites and are pretty much fire and forget. Come on, this isn't brain surgery, people. People get these installed in shopping malls using medical drones operated by highschool dropouts that couldn't get a better job.

And the "he may awaken" argument does hold water. Very few magicians would notice a datajack and it would take 26 pre-awakening datajacks to destroy someone's potential altogether. A single datajack just means that they can only cast blatantly illegal force 10 spells rather than blatantly illegal force 12 spells. Most magicians aren't going to be casting above 3, anyway. Not unless he's got a job as magical security, is a shadowrunner, or follows a corrupt path. And really, even if he did he could just take "my datajack" as a talisman geas.

SR4 Latent Awakening rules and lower attribute average make it highly unlikely that any magician will even notice a difference from a pre-awakening datajack.

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Not to mention the  baby/child sized decks


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post Nov 7 2006, 04:19 AM
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'Nother interesting thing about writing and reading English: Due to a few demographic and historical circumstances, there is so little correlation between what a word looks like in print and how it sounds when spoken, that we English speakers really do learn whole words as symbols. A number of different experiments show that when reading English, we don't connect letter to sound to word to concept, but rather just word to concept (and then to sound if necessary.) What this means is that our brains are kind of wired to read words as symbols unto themselves, not a collection of symbols (ie: letters.) Icon-based literacy is really what we do, and phonics and spelling are kind of throwback concepts.

It's actually pretty cool. You look at a red octagon and that carries a certain meaning. You look at "STOP" and it carries the same meaning. Your brain just sees it as a picture with a message in it. Does that mean that the word "stop" doesn't process as language? No, it does. But the red octagon is also processed in the same way written language is.

I'm no linguist, but that's my understanding of it.

It's not hard to extrapolate that as dinosaurs like myself, who are so used to seeing a word in a certain way, die out so will our concept of the language, allowing for a new take on things.
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post Nov 7 2006, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (Dog)
It's actually pretty cool.  You look at a red octagon and that carries a certain meaning.  You look at "STOP" and it carries the same meaning.  Your brain just sees it as a picture with a message in it.  Does that mean that the word "stop" doesn't process as language?  No, it does.  But the red octagon is also processed in the same way written language is.

...yeah, but here in Portland (TT), most motorists and cyclists are horribly illiterate when it comes to that red octagon. It could just as well be a purple polka dot trapezoid and written in Aramaic for all they care.

More than enough times I have been forced to swerve wildly or slam on the brakes to avoid t-boning these imbeciles. :grr:

...I feel like I am one of a small minority here who actually knows that that red eight sided sign (and red light) really means.

Guess it's good training if I'm ever caught cycling in London, Paris, or Rome eh...? :sarcasm:
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post Nov 7 2006, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
Guess it's good training if I'm ever caught cycling in London, Paris, or Rome eh...? :sarcasm:

Only Paris and Rome. :D
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post Nov 7 2006, 10:25 PM
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...I feel like I am one of a small minority here who actually knows that that red eight sided sign (and red light) really means.

No, just in the minority of those who care to heed its message. ;)
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