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 Nov 16 2006, 08:10 PM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514  |
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Nov 16 2006, 08:11 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
My problem is that there are several forums for DS-ers to talk on, not one single one, so I can't just go to one site to talk to everybody I want to talk to. If there was an official Lounge, this would not be a problem.
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Nov 16 2006, 08:17 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
eidolon is, indeed, a moderator now; one of several new ones added recently.
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=15035 One of the primary goals of adding new moderators is, indeed, consistent moderation, something that has been a problem with Dumpshock since pretty much forever. |
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Nov 16 2006, 08:21 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Didn't you just post a long thing about how you don't mind a "little bit of chaos"? Anyway, assuming there were a loung, the drop bear thread (and ones like it) would STILL be here and STILL in the same grouping. The lounge would only muddy things by bringing in posters who have interest in nothing shadowrun related (as we saw when the lounge was open. I don't recollect subrosa posting on a single shadowrun related thread, although he/she/it posted regularly in the lounge). I really can't understand why you are campaigning for a non-shadowrun area in a shadowrun forum, but get upset that there are shadowrun joke threads in the same forum. Am I completely missing the thrust of your argument? |
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Nov 16 2006, 08:22 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Since it's not really a problem now, shouldn't you be able to handle a Lounge?
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Nov 16 2006, 08:40 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Let me try to illustrate what the Lounge meant to me ...
Cast your mind back a few years to the year 2001. I logged onto Dumpshock in the late evening from where I was then living in Canberra, and did my usual thing of catching up with the new posts. I was just relaxing that September evening when suddenly the Lounge lit up with excitement. Something was happening right then and there in New York City, half way around the globe, but in a place I was intimately familiar with, and where I have friends currently living (including some from this community). Splitting my attention between the BBC and CNN web sites, I avidly devoured the news coming in from my fellow forumites, people that I feel I know well enough as individuals to gauge whether they were full of shit or quite genuine in their respective posts. Although very troubled, I was still somewhat comforted to be an active part of a community at the time. To know that people that I have shared something with in my lifetime ... even something as trivial as interest in a roleplaying game ... these people were all sharing my concerns, my fears, and my hopes that things would not turn out to be as bleak as they seemed to be getting at the time. This type of experience you just can't get by going to the forums at http://www.thelatestterroristattack.com and yapping away at a bunch of ever-rotating strangers. |
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Nov 16 2006, 08:51 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Honestly, something tells me that if such a sudden act that paralyzed the nation happened a second time, we would see a similar thing even without a lounge. It might not go on for days, but I can't imagine not seeing something starting with "are all our NY friends alright?"
For the other 364 days in the year however, I really don't need to know about who you voted for or your sex change operation or how dumb your friend is, and I'd prefer not to have my "get new messages" page flashing with the same. |
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Nov 16 2006, 08:55 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
You're entitled to your opinion. Thanks for having the presence of mind to realize that that's what it is.
It has nothing to do with how thick or thin my skin is. I think this is where you and others are really missing the point somewhat. It doesn't matter what any one person can or can't take, does or doesn't want to have to be subject to, etc.
Yet you are bothered by the Drop Bear thread. I too am puzzled by this.
Do you administrate or moderate at any of the forums you are on? I ask because it really is a different experience than being a member, one that comes with an entirely different viewpoint, different "rules" as it were.
Yes. Frankly, the implication is that some can't. But note that I'm not the one attaching negative connotations to that. Some people do not want to have to be subject to mockery, for example. (And it is only one example, I use it merely because it's the simplest and most commonly witnessed form of poor online manners, as it were.) And because those people are members here, we must do what we can to provide an atmosphere that they, too, can enjoy freely. Is it your opinion that those people are less deserving of a place to discuss a game that they enjoy than those with your "thick skin"? You seem to keep mistaking my disagreement for misunderstanding.
Again, you're certainly free to hold your opinion, but it's hardly the majority opinion that you seem to think it to be.
I never saw it as a childish attack or anything of the like, for what it's worth. I do find it somewhat comical that you've played the martyr card. The "relief" that you so need seems to have been found after all, has it not? Isn't that why you posted the link to Animalball?
And as I've stated, we're currently working on that. Laugh at the notion if you like, but we're doing our best to smooth out enforcement of policies, improving the posting atmosphere, and for lack of a better description, making DSF better. As you say, we are indeed limited by our normal lives to an extent, but I'm curious as to why you use that as if it were some kind of "ah-hah" support for your arguments. We have lives outside of the internet, just like everyone else. On top of that, we have volunteered to moderate the forums in addition to being regular members. And this is negative, somehow?
This has been answered, but I'd like to add that if it were the personal goal of more people, none of this would be at issue. |
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Nov 16 2006, 08:59 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,863 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Just a couple quick comments, because I really don't want to argue with you Paul, 'cause I like ya',and I don't want to really get in to this debate.
I'm here just about every day, for most of the day. I have been trying to take the approach of stepping in to make sure things don't get out of hand, and mostly let things go as they will. As evidenced by the BOOO shadowrun and tangents on threads like the Pendragon. I consider threads like DropBears and Emo's pages controlled chaos. If nothing else, they've stayed remarkably on topic, even if the topic is admittadly warped. I think Animal Ball is a great idea, and would go there myself if I had more time. As for a lounge, we've been told ( us little moderator types) by the folks that asked us to help out, that they don't want to deal with a lounge again. So asking folks to come over to Animal ball is a good thing in my mind. So I don't see a point of debating about whether or not there should be a lounge here. I'm gonne shut up now though, because I said I didn't really want in on this arguement, since there doesn't seem much point to it, and then I went on for two paragraphs. |
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Nov 16 2006, 08:59 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
See, I don't mind, and would kind of like to be able to discuss current events and trivial bullshit with the people here ... people that I can relate to, even if I don't like each and every one of them. I don't want to have to join three or four or seventy-five different communities to keep up with the latest crap, or just gossip back and forth. I believe that it is a trivial thing for you to ignore the Lounge entirely (isn't there a setting in the My Assistant feature that could accommodate this?) if you are not interested in it at all. |
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Nov 16 2006, 09:06 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Paul has kindly provided one, animaball.
Not as far as I can tell, but I might have missed it. And I know many users, both old and new, are also unaware of it. |
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Nov 16 2006, 09:21 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Appears you are correct. I just never use the feature, so I just figured that it would be a basic function to filter the individual forums in which the member is interested.
Be that as it may, I do find it odd that Dumpshock is almost unique in its lack of off-topic forums. I do think that with the influx of new moderators (and maybe even the addition of one or two more), a Lounge is a viable and even desireable feature for this community. The old Lounge(s) are a part of what brought some of the core regulars of this online group together. Admittedly it was not the only, or even the strongest reason, nor was it integral to every single member. But it was still a part of what formed the initial bond that drove the fledgling message board and its disparate group of disfunctional members forward, and made Dumpshock into the place that it is today, reknowned webwide as the forum to go to for anything Shadowrun-related. *Adam: Is this 'forum-filter-thing' a viable feature? Is it something that Marco could just implement with a figurative flick of a switch? |
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Nov 16 2006, 09:24 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Fortune, that kind of functionality is being looked at for the next upgrade of the software supporting DSF. We have no specifics or dates yet, but once we do I'm sure something will go out.
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Nov 16 2006, 09:35 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Who the hell is Marco? Mark, you mean? :)
Frankly, the main problem with the Lounge, as I saw it, was the inconsistent moderation led to people being able to "get away" with more than they would be allowed in the other parts of the forum, and that -- along with Lounge stuff getting dragged into the main forums ["OMG, you only think that because you're a dirty liberal!"] -- degraded the overall quality of the forums, not just the Lounge. I wasn't around as an admin when the Lounge got killed [and aside from Mark, none of the admins that were involved in killing the lounge are still active], but I still don't think the administration is at a point where adding a lounge is feasible or desirable. |
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Nov 16 2006, 10:52 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yeah. :oops: I knew that too! I blame lack of sleep and Paul's reference in an earlier post. Funny thing is that I first typed in Neuron Basher, but was so tired that I wasn't sure on the spelling, so switched to the, ultimately inane Marco. :oops: again! |
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Nov 16 2006, 10:56 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
And that's fair enough. It wasn't my initial intent to actually push for a Lounge Renewed™ as much as it was to lament its passing. But as I said, I can see it being a viable option, given more consitant moderation ... if the situation ever arises. ;) |
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Nov 17 2006, 12:48 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
Chaos, to me, doesn't go hand in hand with ass-which is what I consider the Drop Bear thread, and well a lot of what is posted here to be, because really it's off topic Lounge style discussion thinly veiled as being semi-Shadowrun related. Don't mistake that, however, for a call to disallow you or others from posting it. But to me it's indicative of what passes for fun around here, and frankly I don't care for it.
Uhm, I'm not. I keep saying this one word over and over again and it's Animalball. DSF could close tomorrow and I wouldn't really much care.
Yes. I know they don't want a Lounge here, and I don't care if they get a Lounge here. Ever. And by the way disliking the Drop Bear thread as being childish and too silly for me doesn't equate to me being upset. |
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Nov 17 2006, 01:00 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
Like I said, I know opinions will vary.
Oh but it does matter, as it goes a long way-at times-towards determining official policy, especially here. DSF has a history of moderators who moderate based on their emotional status and not the forums rules. A little piece of unsolicited advice eidolon: Just because you can't please everyone, doesn't mean you don't have to listen to anyone. Maybe that's unwarranted, and you already knew that little tidbit, maybe not.
I'm bothered that the Drop bear thread has become one of the most popular threads, and the pattern it sets on DSF. It's part of the reason why users like me don't post here as much as we used to. Now maybe that doesn't matter, which is okay.
Only if you make it that way. While I play a role, I am not an administrator (per say) on any board. I did help determine a variety of boards policies, and attitudes. But all of that doesn't matter. You volunteered for this job right? Who's playng the martyr card now?
Which says a lot about you to me.
And in real life you come to the aid of every person you hear insulted? All of the time? My hero.
Isn't it? Out of the 8000 or so members how many are active posters? How many of your core posters come and go, never to return? Make no mistake I don't really think we're a majority, but we are significant.
For what it's worth I really didn't mean to climb up on a cross there.
Absolutely not. It does mean however you guys need to carefully consider which rules are significant enough to enforce and which aren't. Which I am sure you already know.
I want to like you for standing by this principle, but I'll be honest I'll wait and see. It's an awful lot to believe. |
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Nov 17 2006, 01:01 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
And by the way, if nothing else we have 300 or so views and 42 replies with out anyone really bugging out or going for the jugular. Could be worse says I.
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Nov 17 2006, 01:07 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I can definitely agree with that. :) |
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Nov 17 2006, 01:19 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,863 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Just FYI, we make a practice of asking other mods for second opinions on a lot of things to make sure that we get a clear view of things before we make any admin-type posts or send warnings. And we didn't volunteer, we were asked. As far not listening to anyone, I won't speak for eidolon, but I make a point of requesting feedback from folks, for what it's worth. |
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Nov 17 2006, 05:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
I don't post as often as i used to and don't really notice the myriad of implosions and outplosions of the various forums nor the reasons why. why stress? i do remember however the vitriol of the group who later coalesced into the H&K Brigade. Fond memories of threats upon my life and the cuting off of certain body parts particular to the male anatomy for some heretofore unknown reason. they thought i was sexist or something i think puh lease! like omigosh!. There any way to look at the old lounge nothing like treading down memory lane once and awhile. I still count them along with the rest of each and every one of you lovely people as near and dear friends!!Some people took things way too personal, chilax and shoot the moon, a cool daddy-o meter will leave you siting in butter ta be sure.
and my other question wasn't answered. Those alternative forums, any super duper firehot babes there? if so once they see my sexiness they're gonna fall head over heels, believe it! |
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Nov 17 2006, 02:12 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
As usual HP your post neither makes sense, nor can we understand it.
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Nov 17 2006, 04:57 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
I'm short on time, and there's really not a whole lot left to say on the matter, but I did want to respond to a couple of quick things.
What, exactly? That I'm aware that people have different outlooks, different values, and different personal tolerances? What a terrible thing to know about someone.
Of course not all the time. But if I do witness someone getting uncomfortable in a social situation at the hands of another individual or a group, yes, I will go to that person's defense. Even if it's a quick "hey, is this making you uncomfortable?" Again, I fail to see how you think this characterizes me in a bad light.
We do, and in fact a rework of the ToS, guidelines, et al is in progress (although as you were quick to point out, it may be slower in coming than we'd like, what with having real lives and all).
I agree.
As do I, especially when it's a case that isn't a direct violation of a current ToS or posting guideline. However, I also feel that there must be a certain level of autonomy, due primarily to the fact that we aren't all on concurrently, and some things really shouldn't be left to stew while we wait for an opportunity to discuss them.
No, and there likely won't be. The content exists as an archive, but I would think that it will be deleted when we move to new forum software in the future. Heh. Apparently, time be damned. :) |
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Nov 17 2006, 05:11 PM
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Grumpy Old Ork Decker Group: Admin Posts: 3,794 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orwell, Ohio Member No.: 50 |
*raises hand* Actually... :) Look, the fact is, we've tried off topic forums here twice. It didn't work out. The first time around, the break up was kinda ugly, and she moved on pretty quickly. It hurt, but we managed to become friends after a while. We even felt bad when she had her next breakup. (aka, the Bulldrek forum back in the day :)) The second one... that was just ugly, because it turns out, she was a disease ridden whore. We let that relationship go one for a while, because hey, it was some nookie and it was easier than hitting the dating scene. But eventually, we got tired of her whining, complaining, doing drugs, discussing deviant sexual practices at great length and in much detail, and bring strange men over when we weren't around. We dumped her, she bitched quite a bit, but in the end, I think we're better for it. (Lounge, baby. She was a whore, and you all know it :)) I won't say there will never be an off topic board ever again, because hey, never say never. Plus, I don;t actually own the boards, so I can always get over ruled ;) But for the time being, there are no plans for it. It takes far too much work, caused waaaay too many problems, and at the end of the day, is not the prupose of these forums. We're a Shadowrun board, we're here to provide a place to discuss Shadowrun. That is our focus, and anything that detracts from that focus... Well, it's got to go. Bull |
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