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hyzmarca View Member Profile	Nov 16 2006, 06:55 PM Post #26
Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456	That's what I'm saying from how I understand the notation system. Bonuses are identified with a (+), are paired with a specialization, and do not count towards the augmented caps. Augmentations are just a plain () and do count towards the cap. That particular notation allows one to quickly and easily distinguish between augmentations and bonuses, which is an important distinction but one which is not nearly as clear as it should be. My suggestion is a similar notation system for stats [Stat (spec) (other spec) value (augmented value) (+bonus) (+other bonus)] or [Stat value (augmented value (spec) (+bonus) (other spec) (+other bonus)] if the former is too confusing. So a character with Reaction 3, Improved Reflexes 2 and combat sense 4 would write [Reaction (dodge and surprise) 3 (5) (+4)] Edit: The sample characters list improved ability as a bonus [Skill (name of power) value (+IA value)] that that was pre-errata, before it was capped.

IvanTank

Nov 17 2006, 05:11 AM

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Good luck with your ninja, but unfortunately SR4 does not favor generalists - it is all too easy to spread yourself too thin with such a character, and have someone much less effective than a more focused character.

As Major Kusanagi put it:

"If you over specialize, you breed in weakness."

IvanTank View Member Profile	Nov 17 2006, 05:15 AM Post #28
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 15-November 06 Member No.: 9,866	Besides, my GMs have always looked for any possible way to exploit my characters weaknesses if I do specialize them too much :) That is why I have so many skills at 1, I might need them, and I don't want to have to default, especially on skills that you can't default. Also, this character is what I like to think of as a "fixer upper". Once he starts getting some Karma Flow, he will turn into a bad ass. The problem with street sams is they don't tend to get that much more powerful than they were at character generation.

toturi View Member Profile	Nov 17 2006, 06:06 AM Post #29
Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187	First of all, you got to survive to get the karma. Looking over your PC, I'd say there's no need for your GM to attack weaknesses, he can simply go beat on your strengths.

IvanTank View Member Profile	Nov 17 2006, 06:22 AM Post #30
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 15-November 06 Member No.: 9,866	Remember, he will be invisible at all times during runs, and will have +2 reaction, +2 IP at all times, period, thanks to those sustaining foci. He has zero worries from mundane security, you can't kill what you can't see, and as long as people geek the mage first, he will be fine.

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Nov 17 2006, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE (hyzmarca)

Bonuses are identified with a (+), are paired with a specialization, and do not count towards the augmented caps. Augmentations are just a plain () and do count towards the cap.
That particular notation allows one to quickly and easily distinguish between augmentations and bonuses, which is an important distinction but one which is not nearly as clear as it should be.

Amen! hyzmarca for editor-in-chief of all SR4 products to come! :P Seriously, FanPro needs a hardass who will ask the nasty questions and require that the wording of the rules be clear and unambiguous.

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Nov 18 2006, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE (IvanTank @ Nov 17 2006, 02:22 PM)

Remember, he will be invisible at all times during runs, and will have +2 reaction, +2 IP at all times, period, thanks to those sustaining foci.

He has zero worries from mundane security, you can't kill what you can't see, and as long as people geek the mage first, he will be fine.

I've not seen any GM defend a run target with only mundane security and with that many sustained spells, I'd impose a "Object stands out in some way" modifier for the Assensing test. Is your GM allowing a single sustaining focus to sustain multiple spells of the same type simultaneously? If so, then you'll be fine as long as there are no Pressure Pads, Olfactory scanners or Millimeter wave detection systems. If your GM does not allow a sustaining focus to sustain multiple spells, then add in motion sensors, sound and vibration detectors.

And with Perception 2 + Intuit 4, what are the chances of you spotting those things?

Shadowrun usually requires a team. There's no way 1 guy can do everything and honestly I do not see what you are trying to do.

Da9iel View Member Profile	Nov 18 2006, 03:46 AM Post #33
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 28-May 04 From: Moorhead, MN, USA Member No.: 6,367	Don't forget that drones have an object rating of 4 that a rating 3 focus can never beat.

Wakshaani

Nov 18 2006, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE (IvanTank)

Remember, he will be invisible at all times during runs, and will have +2 reaction, +2 IP at all times, period, thanks to those sustaining foci.

He has zero worries from mundane security, you can't kill what you can't see, and as long as people geek the mage first, he will be fine.

Well, until he hits the ward.

Wards are cheap, long-lasting, and plentiful, and scramble the heck out of any Foci that passes through it.

"I'll just sneak past this guard, *sneak sneak fizzle* ... Fizzle?!"

"HEY YOU! Stop!"

"Cheese it!" *runrunrun*

hyzmarca

Nov 18 2006, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Nov 16 2006, 01:55 PM)

Bonuses are identified with a (+), are paired with a specialization, and do not count towards the augmented caps. Augmentations are just a plain () and do count towards the cap.
That particular notation allows one to quickly and easily distinguish between augmentations and bonuses, which is an important distinction but one which is not nearly as clear as it should be.

Amen! hyzmarca for editor-in-chief of all SR4 products to come! :P Seriously, FanPro needs a hardass who will ask the nasty questions and require that the wording of the rules be clear and unambiguous.

They should clearly mark all powers, cyberware, spells, and drugs that add dice with an A for augmented or a B for bonus, just as they would clearly mark the ammo capacity of a gun.

PlatonicPimp View Member Profile	Nov 18 2006, 07:45 PM Post #36
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320	Yup! Its like a cleaner, easier, more understandable and less abusable version of DnD's non-stacking bonuses. The latest version of the Erratta should also go back and assign those types to everything in books already out, in a nice, easy to use chart. Heck, a few hours would be all it took to make that. I might just do it myself.

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Nov 18 2006, 09:18 PM

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Yup!

Its like a cleaner, easier, more understandable and less abusable version of DnD's non-stacking bonuses.

The latest version of the Erratta should also go back and assign those types to everything in books already out, in a nice, easy to use chart.

Heck, a few hours would be all it took to make that. I might just do it myself.

If you do, I suggest you send it to FanPro for an official seal of approval (and inclusion in Erratta, as you suggested). I assume some of the SR writers on DumpShock could help oil the wheels of the machine to make sure this hard work is made as useful as can be.

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