 Seattle and the Death Penalty |
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 Nov 24 2006, 04:07 PM
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King of the Hobos  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127  |
I don't have my books in front of me at the moment, but does the Seattle Metroplex have the death penalty on the statute books? Doing a quick search it seems that the current day Washington state has the death penalty, but I don't remember any of the sourcebooks mentioning it for Shadowrun's Seattle one way or the other.
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Nov 24 2006, 05:51 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Official death penalty, or "Breathing While SINless And Running Into A Lone Star Officer" penalty?
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Nov 24 2006, 08:30 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
I presume he means official.
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Nov 24 2006, 10:09 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Well, according to the most recent source (ha ha ha), Seattle does not have a death penalty. Federal law may be a little different.
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Nov 25 2006, 02:36 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
RL current washington state does have the death penalty. The condemned may choose death by leathal injection or the noose.
There was a case a few years back where a man choose the noose them put on weight and appealed against execution claiming he was now so fat he would be decapitated by the noose. the judge put him on a diet. |
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Nov 26 2006, 01:51 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Hanging? Now that's cool. If I had to choose a way to be executed it'd have to be a choice between either firing squad or the long drop. I'm surprised that Shadowrun's Seattle doesn't have a death penalty though.
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Nov 26 2006, 01:57 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I think it's unconscionable.
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Nov 26 2006, 02:00 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
Leaving aside moral points *glares at SL James's transparent trolling*, it's worth noting that Seattle and the environs is traditionally very liberal politically; There's something of a divide between Eastern Washington state (conservative and rural), and Western Washington (liberal and urban), in terms of general political tendencies.
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Nov 26 2006, 02:10 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
There used to be an old urban legend that a person who survived execution had to be set free, this is untrue for technical reasons. However, I wonder about people who are magically resurrected. If you're sentenced to be hung by the neck until you are dead, and that sentence is carried out, it seems that the reanimated individual should be free to go, assuming that his reanimation has more to do with 4th World Wizard spells than with Shedim.
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Nov 26 2006, 02:15 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I meant it's unconscionable that SR's Seattle doesn't have a goddamn death penalty. Given Lone Star's more-than-willing to kill people reputation, what the Hell difference would it make?
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Nov 26 2006, 02:23 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
Simple: Easier to switch contracts than change statute.
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Nov 26 2006, 04:05 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Makes better business sense, really. After all, why get paid to kill a murderer once when you can charge the metroplex to hold him for the rest of his/her natural life? |
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Nov 26 2006, 04:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 12-August 06 Member No.: 9,097 |
Er, doesn't that argument advocate in favor of a death penalty? Capital punishment is a policy decision that lies within the domain of the Seattle government, not Lone Star, and why pay to hold a murderer for the rest of their natural life when you can just kill them?
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Nov 26 2006, 04:22 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
It's the government. The government doesn't care about efficient spending.
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Nov 26 2006, 04:29 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
The government is run by people who get paid a very small amount of money considering how important their job is. There are two ways that they can balance this. They can continue to hold a regular job and neglect their official duties, which is what may do at the local levels, or they can rely on what are called kickbacks for their income.
Kickbacks work quite simply and very nicely. If you have hiring power then a company who is looking or an individual for a job will pay you to hire it. Since the money used to pay for the job does not come out of your pocket you make a profit. The bigger the kickback, of course, the bigger the profit you make, so it is best the hire the companies that are willing to provide the best kickbacks. |
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Nov 26 2006, 06:43 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Because it's not like you can kill him again anyway. |
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Nov 26 2006, 06:57 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
There are ways, SL james. There are ways......
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Nov 26 2006, 07:22 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Of course there are, but it's not worth the time and effort.
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Nov 26 2006, 02:05 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
If there is a resurrection spell in SR4 I am going to scream. If you're talking about Shedim (or zombies or other spirit possession), it's a new entity in an old body and should be treated as such, generally with a flamethrower. |
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Nov 26 2006, 02:11 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Umm... My group is using Microsoft rules... :evil: |
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Nov 26 2006, 02:24 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
So when the rezed body suddenly turns blue and stops moving, we know where the refference came from, gotcha.
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Nov 26 2006, 11:16 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Oh, also while you can kill the body quite a few times, you can only send them to Hell once (unless Seattle somehow gets ahold of some cybermantic ritual-capable mages).
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Nov 27 2006, 04:35 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
They get tossed into the lava sea. ~J |
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Dec 2 2006, 05:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
Depends on if you're the guy paying, or the guy getting paid. I'd be less concerned about the Metroplex government allowing the death penalty than I would about any of the extraterritorial corps kicking around. After all, if you've done something that might warrant the death penalty, chances are at some point that a corp will be involved. I imagine that Lone Star has some policy like this. Say you've committed mass murder of non-corp citizens on municipal territory and LS comes to arrest you. If you go quietly, they are expected to follow the municipal laws and once you're convicted you go to jail for life. But if you kill some cops before they grab you, LS gets to invoke some sort of clause where they can sentence you to death under their corp laws before the Seattle government gets you. (Which is redundant in a few ways, I realize.) |
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Dec 2 2006, 05:22 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I imagine Lone Star has the policy that if you off a cop or two, especially when they are in the process of arresting you, then your head is going to spring a leak as soon as they get a chance. No death sentence needed when you are killed while resisting arrest. |
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