new revolution-post coup, trying to run a new rev campaign in 2070 Options

[limejello10512]

I recently became intrigued with the idea of the new revolution. Not as villains but as heroes trying to reunify their nation. I've read the articles in threats and in system failure but I'm still unsure of where they are in 2070.

I've been able to gather that the senator who led alamos 20k and one new rev faction is dead (good riddance)

It is also implied that angela colloton is a member of the new rev.

However that's All I know for sure. How much of the new rev survived? Does any of it still function under angela's supervision perhaps? Did loyalist forces over throw the new rev forces or was it just one camp of the new rev overthrowing the other and claiming to be loyalists? Did angela betray the new rev to gain power, is she the only one left? It doesn't say what happened to "the general" or "the political council." Did the new rev actually succeed in claiming power since angela is now in charge? If so where do they go from there? Is this the beginning of the NA wars perhaps?

Any information would be very helpful.

[PlatonicPimp]

This is complete theory:

I think there were kinda two branches to the new revolution: Those who favored a mass uprising, and those who favored the cloak and dagger stuff. I think the revolution in system failure was the second group cleaning house of the first group. That is to say, the new revolution didn't die that day, it simply got rid of it's embarassing vocal part. Now it exists in the shadows, manipulating events.

There is evidence that the current President, Colloton, is a New Revolutionary.

Also, notice how many mergers of state there have been in North america lately. Pueblo annexed LA and the Ute nation, the Salish have absorved the Tsimshain, etc. Theres other hints of the new revolution at work if you look for them, give it a try.

Interesting thought: What non-New revolution groups might ally with them? Ghostwalker. Think about this: Ghostwalker is trying to put the spirit of Denver back together. The spirit fractured when Deenver was divided as the treaty city, but in the last decade that trend has reversed as aztechnology was kicked out of Denver, and Pueblo annexed the Ute and therefore their sector. If all the treaty nations were merged back into a single state, denver and therefore the spirit of denver would be restored. That might be enough reason for ghostwalker to give the NR some aid.

Canon? maybe not. A good basis for a campaign? Hells Yes.

[SL James]

[hyzmarca]

We still don't know where Mrs. Brown Nipples is or what happened to her. This bit of information would shed a great deal of light onto the coup. If the NR took her out then the Draco Foundation wasn't in on it. If she escaped unharmed then they, at the very least, knew about it in advance.

The timing of the coup and the Crash can't be a coincidence, either. It isn't just that the crash damaged infrastructure, it also took out Alice Haefner. As the original Ghost in the Machine, Alice was probably on close to the same level as an AI in terms of what she could do in the Matrix if she put her mind to it. The murder of her husband would not have made her happy and she isn't the kind of person you want to have seeking revenge from you, unless you live in an electromagnetically shielded cave with no outside telecommunications, and even then it is risky. Really, the ultimate conspirators behind the assasination could have faced anything from complete financial destruction to a plane crash to a rampaging prototype killbot to having their SINs deleted and replaced with criminal SINs that have execution warrants attached to them.

And if the Draco foundation were involved then they would no this. They would know that the only time they could safely eliminate Haefner was during the Crash when his wife would be incapacitated or killed.

[SL James]

Ex-wife. He remarried (Super Tuesday, 12).

Which also adds another layer of ignorance to the story. Not as big a deal as, say, the half-assed, ignorance-filled justification of that worthless waste of text, but still. Just to make my position on it perfectly clear, Shadowrun (or at the least the setting) is worse for The Tree of Liberty having been written.

[hyzmarca]

[SL James]

She's dead.

At best, at best, the Alice in the Matrix is a long-survived SK with data approximating memory and a psychological profile approximating motives (e.g., revenge).

[Grinder]

[limejello10512]

of course it wasn't a coincidence the NR took advantage of a random occurance. The crash caused the coup though not vice versa.

But I like the idea of the new rev...I think the fall of the US is too pesimistic without someone trying to restore it. Plus I found it hard to swallow that the US was unlamented as Captain chaos claimed in NA's guide to north america (plus his version of events is hardly what I would call fair and ballanced). Now I know that there were those who long for the return of the US. Though I guess I would agree that I'd rather have the NR fighting to reunify the US. From a purely gaming point of view.

So since the rev is probably now soley under the command of General Colloton does anyone want to speculate what parts of it are still functioning or do you guy's think that they have disbanded and just thrown their support behind the UCAS as law abiding citizens?

[PlatonicPimp]

I actually don't find the Idea that the US would fall unmourned so much. Remember that the south has risen again in the form of the CAS.

Many (most) of the strongest american nationalists I've known were also neo-confederates. It wouldn't be surprising that many of those would forget the silly US if the confederacy were reinstated. This is especially true of those american nationalists mostl likely to do anything remotely conspiritorial.

When the NAN is formed, those people out west with those sorts of sentiments would most likely repatriate to the south.

Also to consider is the large number of people in blue states who admire and respect canada. The idea of merging countries with canida would appeal to these sorts of people. The freedoms and liberty these people associate with america is just as easliy associated with canada, or to the UCAS.

And the Nationalists would be happy to be rid of those carpet bagger hippies, the lot of them.

So yeah, I beleive that most hardcore nationalist Americans would transfer that Loyalty to the CAS given the events in SR.



The New revolution would NOT be united behind Colloton. She's certainly strong in the group, but it is a factous group to begin with, each one operating in it's area. Colloton has control of new revolutionary activites in the UCAS (Ostensibly, there will be others working against her), while other people run it in other areas. Remember that the NR doesn't beleive the UCAS is the US at all. They think of it as just like all the other states in NA: in need of destruction to reforge the US. Imagine what a president who actually wants their country to fail can do to it.

[hyzmarca]

I don't think that a terrorist organization attacking an AI's upgrade party with magically enhanced nuclear bombs and a new improved version of the Crash virus can possibly be called a random occurrence.

This is something that required a great deal of planning and commitment by multiple parties. If one assumes that both the NR and Winternight were subordinate to the machinations of our favorite dead dragon then the timing makes a great deal more sense. If you read Dunkie's speech about the nature of America, made when he announced his candidacy, one can see some pro-reunification leanings there.

But Dragons think long-term. They don't plan years in advance, they plan centuries in advance. It is quite possible that the New Revolution timetable is far slower than anyone knows, if Dunkie planned it. The coup factions were as impatient as they were useless to the overall cause.

Of course, there is the little issue of the fact that the coup didn't really damage the Unity Coalition, which was in bed with the Mantids via Anne Penchyk. While it is unlikely that Dunkie would get in bed with Mantids, that is always a possibility. The murder of the Insect Spirit inhabitating the body of General Yeats by a Mantis under the direction of Penchyk certainly didn't hurt his campaign.

I'd assume that the Unity Coalition is still around, but the Militia branch is gone and the Reconstitution branch has far less pull than it once did. With Colloton as President the Political branch would have the most sway, assuming that she was a member of the political branch.
Of course, it isn't impossible that Colloton is actually Mantis and Penchyk is using her as a frontwoman.

[FrankTrollman]

[mfb]

+2: sick burn, accurate.

[Penta]

[SL James]

[Grinder]

Wow, that's hard!
I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this plot-line, the insight you have and let us know. If you would be simply ranting, I wouldn't bother to read your postings, but most of your postings have a very (even if completly different from canon) profund knowledge.

[SL James]

Having a working knowledge of American politics helps.

[Grinder]

Didn't you even studied politics?

[SL James]

[Grinder]

That seems to give a very solide knowledge of US politics. :)

[Kremlin KOA]

If Ares is written to be pro Unification, then it will be proof beyond reasonable doubt that the current writers of Shadowrun Canon have either gone insane or hate the gameworld and want to rewrite it.

According to current Canon, if the US reforms then Ares must GIVE Ares Space to them (for free)

[SL James]

[BrianL03]

[SL James]

Just to put a point on how far this can go and how many interests and parties touched on this issue, I figured I ought to (with great reluctance) excerpt the climax of something I've been writing. Just to give context (since the character was descibed in an old thread), it's a UCAS Army colonel testifying before a joint congressional committee in 2065 on the UCAS government's aid to and exploitation of the NR movement, so it is quite politically charged and filled with considerable spin.

[FlakJacket]

Interesting. I take it that's something you're cooking up for over on Shadowland?

From the excerpt it certainly sounds like something that would have to be done very off the books thanks to the amount of political oversight and meddling your intelligence agencies, and I'm assuming the UCAS CIA/DIA/whoever, have to put up with.