 Mercy, Vindictive or both, Not to be taken seriously some |
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 Nov 30 2006, 08:31 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630  |
Ok after shooting down this vory enforcer, my street samurai decides to show some mercy. As he was only unconscious my character decided to stabilize him with his medkit. After that was done my character took the Vory's armor, his gun, his comlink and his clothing and then leaving him naked in the gunshot house for the Knight Errant who were likely called after the sound of machine pistols woke the neighbor.
So which was it? Mercy, Vindictive, Both Or just plain funny |
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Nov 30 2006, 10:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
IMO, it was none of the above - it was dumb. Because now that Vory guy, when he wakes up, can finger you to KE and give them a positive lead in the case. Further, unless a hacker spoofs the Vory guys commlink or changes it's access numbers, KE will be able to find you by tracking said commlink (when they match it to the Vory guy) if you keep the commlink with you. Better to leave the commlink and the Vory guy's dead body behind IMO.
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Nov 30 2006, 11:21 AM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
How one can think of this as "mercy" is beyond me. "Stupid" on the other hand...
It was vindictive. The vory lost some property and much pride, and likely goes to prison. And he is alive. Fingering you to LoneStar is only the first thing he will do. Now wait, it isn´t even vindictive - you didn´t tell us what he did to your character. Just stupid. And maybe a bit funny. |
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Nov 30 2006, 01:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 4-September 06 Member No.: 9,304 |
I voted for both.
Not knowing the backstory, I can't say if it was stupid or smart. Possibly stupid for leaving an underworld enforcer alive after almost killing him. Possibly smart, as the enforcer knows that he could have been killed, but was deliberately spared. Will depend on the enforcer and his bosses outlook. Looting, possibly smart, as with no evidence to the contrary, the enforcer would not be charged (no weapons). He would be considered a "victim", and probably would not co-operate with KE regarding on who/what did this to him. KE would probably know he was an enforcer, assume some kind of gangland activity and not put much resources into looking into it. Possibly stupid, if the enforcer had "important" information on any of his gear that the organization would want back. |
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Nov 30 2006, 01:51 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Vindictive is kidnapping taking him with you, kidnapping his closest loved ones, torturing him in front of them for several months before severing his spine at the neck, torturing them to death in front of him over a period of several months, scooping out his eyeballs, punching through his eardrums, and cutting out his vocal cords so that he is unable to see speak or hear in addition to his inability to move or feel anything, and then take him to a don't-ask-don't-tell long-term care hospital with instructions to keep him for as long as is possible but to never attempt to correct his injuries via cyberware or communicate him via telepathy or DNI because those things are against his religion and pay the hospital enough money every year that they actually pretend to believe you.
Now that's vindictive. What the Samurai did was just plain funny. |
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Nov 30 2006, 02:37 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
I don't really see the Vory guy cooperating with the KE officers, so I don't think there's too much to worry about in the KE tracking down the characters department (at least, he wouldn't if I were GMing). More likely would be he feeds KE some lines about being unconscious or something, just enough to get let go, and then he goes back and rallies some other Vory guys to help him with his new personal vendetta against said sam.
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Nov 30 2006, 03:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
He ruined his life. The Vory enforcer is either going to go to jail or die at the hands of the russian mob. This isnt "Rounders" where the russian say "He won fair and square... give that man his money" in a horrible russian accent.
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Nov 30 2006, 04:14 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Beeing killed would have ruined the enforcers life also :D.
This way he has a, well, not-quite-fighting chance. Maybe he can skip out before the Law enforcers arrive, conceal his misfortune from the vory and live happily ever after. Or he gets caught, strikes a deal with the Law, rats out the rory, gets into witness protection and lives happily ever after. |
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Nov 30 2006, 04:17 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Fingering Jack's PC to LS is the last thing he'd do.....and even then would only happen if he fell on his head and stopped forgetting who the fuck he was but somehow still remembered who Jack's PC was. Or LS pulled one of them inadmissible evidence Mind Probes on him. Remember that the "vory v zakone" were born resisting giving any info at all to Stalin. Their hate and resistance to cooperation with The Man pretty much defines them. |
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Nov 30 2006, 05:09 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
For those interested in a little data about the Vory (and how they may relate to the Sixth World), DV8 has written this essay.
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Nov 30 2006, 05:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
Perhaps I should have mentioned my character was still wearing his helmet and googles making a visual ID on his face a bit hard. Maybe you can ID someone by his chin, but that be a bit hard.
The comlink's wireless connection was of course shut off, making tracking impossible. I just dumped the thing in the trash after the technomancer found no vaulible data. The Vory was encountered on one of the missons from http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/missions/downloads/ I didn't want to list back story as that would be spoilers, I will say as much that the Vory was important enougth to have a last name. He may have actually been a Avtoritey, with close ties to the Vory. We didn't do the legwork to check upon either group. |
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Nov 30 2006, 06:15 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
It was funny.
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Nov 30 2006, 06:57 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Has anybody read the comic 'A history of violence'? Not the movie, the actual comic. That's all I'll say to avoid spoiling. |
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Nov 30 2006, 09:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
From a quick glance that is an awesome site |
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Nov 30 2006, 10:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
I wouldn't steal the commlink (unless of course it was the whole point of attacking the Vory in the first place).
It's not worth that much on its own, the info it contains could be used to track you down if you try to sell it and who knows what's in it ; there could even be a GPS tracker in it so even by turning it off you could still get tracked down. If I'm worried about security of information and am not currently doing field work it's certainly something I would consider. I wouldn't steal the weapon either unless I need one right now. The Vory henchman should be pro enough to be carrying clean weapons but you never know. There are idiots in every organization. If that weapon has been used in a significant crime, like killing a FBI informant, it can only cause trouble. Aside from that, I'd say it is funny and stupid. You either kill him or let him live, without stealing anything. But you don't let him live and then embarass him. Not when he belongs to an organization that can teach you thr true meaning of the word vindictive. It's the middle ground for morons. (Not that I'm saying you are a moron. You just play one in a fantasy world! ;) Seriously, it's easy in hindsight to pick at a PCs actions. As long as you know your GM won't use that an excuse to have Vory try to track you down, no harm's done) |
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Nov 30 2006, 11:06 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
It is indeed! One of the very best Shadowrun sites on the net ... ever! I had to use the Wayback Machine to actually access that page though, as DV8 is currently putting together a new one. |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:42 AM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
Out of Curiousity, which Mission was it? The Vory have shown up in 3 of them...If it's the Avtoritey, then I'm voting Stupid if he is left alive...
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Dec 1 2006, 01:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
Well first off in responce to Charon. He didn't steal his stuff or any measure of profit. He did it to be an •••hole. The only item kept was the armor jacket.
Now as for McQuillan... wait... you wouldn't happend to be to Stephen McQuillan by anychance? Well I didn't want to post any spoilers for that mission. But I didn't know how to make spoiler tags. That has now changed so I can reveal a bit more. [ Spoiler ]
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Dec 1 2006, 01:33 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Spoilers are made thus ...
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Dec 1 2006, 02:03 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Well, that was the only sensible item to keep. That only leave the matter of poking the bear for the sake of poking the bear. Shoot the bear or avoid the bear. Never poke the bear! |
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Dec 1 2006, 02:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
ah but a bit of better advice comes from Lightning Jack. "Don't mess with Lightning" |
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Dec 1 2006, 03:16 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Wasn't the Vory founded by a bunch of criminals that were all in jail and got good at running their operations from prison? Hell the guy might tak it as a badge of honor. 'Course he'll still try to hunt down the sam when he gets out, or have his pals do it, but that's the price of doing business. And I agree, I really don't a career criminal ratting to the cops.
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Dec 1 2006, 03:17 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Or what? It seems rather safe. If you fail to shoot him in the back of the head, he'll clown around, leave you naked in an alley and give you a second chance to shoot a bullet in the back of his head. I'd be more worried of messing with the Vory. |
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Dec 1 2006, 03:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
Well if everyone dies hows the message supposed to get out. After all "If you kill him, he won't learn nothin."
Jack's not a cold blooded killer. He conciders geting through a run with out anyone dying a victory. But if someone is foolish enougth to throw away a second chance he gives them they will receive no mercy. What they should expect, is a Steytr TMP loaded with EXEX and firing in short narrow bursts. Maybe I'll give full auto a shot. |
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Dec 1 2006, 03:29 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
You're (presumably) a runner, not a gangster. You have no message for the Vory, Mafia, Yakuza or any other mob. They need a reputation as someone you don't mess with. It directly reflects on their bottom line (for protection rackets for example). Therefore to them your message is just a challenge to be answered in kind with far more firepower than you can muster. Because if they don't do it, their reputation will suffer. As a runner, the only persons you really need to send a message to are your employers and fixers. And the message is ; I can do this job discreetly, leaving no evidence behind. Furthermore, I will not by my actions create further complications. Like a pointless feud with the Vory that could potentially splash on my employers. That's the reputation you want to foster and leaving naked, furious gangster in your wake does nothing to improve it. (As an aside, while leaving a naked gangster behind is just plain bad idea with only disadvantages for a runner, it makes a lot of sense for certain type of mobsters, especially groups who appreciate panache : In such a group that kind of stunt has several advantage such as increasing your standing in the organization and goading your opponent into a confrontation that you are presumably ready for) |
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