 Yet Another Grenade Thread, Things that make ya go BOOM |
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 Dec 21 2006, 01:27 PM
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Mr. Johnson  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314  |
Has anybody tried applying the mechanics for suppressive fire to grenade resolution? If you have, how did that work out?
It occurred to me while reading about the Storm power in SM that the case of suppressive fire (being caught in an area where metal is flying at high velocity) bears a lot of similarity to a grenade blast (being caught in an area where metal is flying at high velocity). |
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Dec 21 2006, 03:07 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Well, the thing about a grenade blast is how fast it's over. If you know it's out there, and you know you're behind cover, you're good. If you don't know it's there, and you're exposed, well, you're probably pretty effectively "suppressed".
A single grenade just doesn't last long enough to have the same effect as suppressive fire really. Now, if there has been a grenade thrown, and you're still alive, sure, you're going to be careful about exposing yourself, but you're also going to try and move to eliminate the thrower once you're reasonably certain you can do so. With suppressive fire, you're keeping them down so that they aren't shooting at you (hopefully), usually so someone else can move. |
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Dec 21 2006, 03:26 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
There needs to be a surpressive grenade.
Something that burns for a few seconds and spits a lot of fire and sparks and other unpleasant crap in a several meter radius. Would that be vaguely like white phosphorous? I don't know much about grenades, but somebody out there does, I'd wager. |
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Dec 21 2006, 03:35 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
The grenade lands, rolls around, pops up an eyestalk, and cherrfully and loudly says, "Hi, I'm a class 5 anti personell smart grenade! Please be warned of the following side effects. Bleeding, pain, visual distortion, aural discomfort, temporal distortions, possible broken bones, nausea, and lots of other unpleasant things we don't want to think about. Ares Corporation disavows all laibility for the use of this smart grenade, now available in special bulk discount shipments. Call 89759234857. No no, don't run away, I go off if you ..."
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Dec 21 2006, 03:39 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
There's an AI in that grenade... poor AI... |
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Dec 21 2006, 03:51 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
There's no reason to assume that an artificial intelligence would have motivations or basic instincts consistent with a biological being that was created through natural selection. In other words, it is an adaptive trait, "not wanting to die", one that is generally shared by most things that have succeeded in surviving and evolving. An artificial intelligence has no inherent reason to not want to die unless it is programmed to. For the grenade, the ultimate joy and rapture is explosive oblivion and a job well done. ;) |
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Dec 21 2006, 04:04 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...Bomb#20: "In the beginning, there was darkness. And the darkness was without form, and void". Boiler: "What the hell is he talking about?" Bomb#20: "And in addition to the darkness there was also me. And I moved upon the face of the darkness. And I saw that I was alone. Let there be light." |
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Dec 21 2006, 04:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 8,301 |
I'd go with the classic: "I'm a thirty second bomb! I'm a thirty second bomb! Twenty-nine! Twenty-eight! Twenty-seven!..."
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Dec 21 2006, 05:29 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
WP munitions in a smoke or anti-personnel application usually explode and spread their content in one go, the phosphorous then continuing to burn on the ground and in the air for a while. Other incendiary weapons will simply burn intensely without being spread over a significant area. I can't think of a weapon with applications similar to grenades that would continue to launch projectiles over a period of time. |
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Dec 21 2006, 05:33 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Cool, thanks. But, in your opinion, would such a device be useful? |
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Dec 21 2006, 05:36 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Some fireworks launch projectiles over a period of time. But unless you are wearing your kerosene drenched cotton wool armor, that's not really an issue :wobble:.
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Dec 21 2006, 06:00 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I'd say no. It seems to me the most efficient use of explosives or pyrotechnics in a small package is to make it all go off at once. This allows it to destroy larger structures, penetrate better, have a greater area of effect, etc. It also means that if you happen to catch the enemy unawares, you are more likely to kill him than suppress him. If you do want to suppress an enemy, just keep firing more at him. Like this. |
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Dec 21 2006, 06:10 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
I only caught the first few seconds of that clip (I'm at work), but someone downrange is going to have a really, really bad day.
The problem is going to be when players get access to FA grenade launchers. Then they're going to want to COMBINE suppressive fire and grenades... |
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Dec 21 2006, 06:14 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Well all right then. Thanks. :-)
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Dec 21 2006, 06:30 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 19-August 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9,168 |
This would function better as a drone, I think.
Something in line with the iBall - you toss it. It lands, and uses small legs to right itself, then create a tripod. It then begins spewing fletchettes in a random pattern, or a circle, or some such. I say fletchettes because I'm still stuck on the idea of peeling off tiny slivers of a disk to make them. Which would mean it was easier to create them on the fly.... |
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Dec 21 2006, 06:35 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Something like the shuriken weapons from WH40k, or the flywheel gun from CP2020? Amusing thought, but I always wondered what their penetration would be like.
If you had the cash (and with any luck, we'll be seeing prices drop again with SR4), building a laser-firing drone you could toss into a room should be doable. |
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Dec 21 2006, 06:37 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I'm sure it would. Does someone have an application in mind for such a thing -- something actual grenades would not be more effective at? |
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Dec 21 2006, 06:40 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
I used grenades with prox sensors to keep people from following us and to deny corridors and such. |
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Dec 21 2006, 07:15 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 22-June 05 From: Behind you!!! Member No.: 7,458 |
So, either the talking bomb is like the talking toaster from Red Dwarf, or the Tachikomas from GITS?
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Dec 21 2006, 08:40 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
How do you know you exist? Hmmm. Well... I think therefore I am! That's good. That's very very good. Now, how do you know anything else exists? |
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Dec 21 2006, 08:42 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 19-August 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9,168 |
When I blow up, I think it also blows up? |
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Dec 21 2006, 09:31 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
one of the coolest ideas in Starship Troopers (the book) was a grenade that shouted "i'm a bomb! i'm a bomb! 29! 28! 27!..." |
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Dec 21 2006, 09:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Quebec Member No.: 6,924 |
I've read the book, but I don't remember that one.
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Dec 21 2006, 09:51 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it's right towards the beginning. Johnny jumps through a wall into a church or something, while they're raiding that Skinny city.
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Dec 21 2006, 10:30 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Just for reference: Grenades
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