 Article for flavour on Jinns, describes muslim beliefs of Jinns |
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 Dec 27 2006, 12:44 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422  |
LOL, Someone tell Frank Trollman to create a variant of them for gameplay.
Hmmm. Thay help kill dragons huh? Sounds like a new threat to the greats, and a new threat in general. They do remind me of imps however in some aspects. It fits well with SR4 and I hope someone uses it to their advantage when describing... Wait! Shedim?! Could Jinn be connected to Shedim... Sorry got caught thinking out loud. |
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Dec 27 2006, 12:54 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
What would be new about them? It isn't like Jinns just popped up yesterday. I am sure that the Great Dragons (and even those not-so-Great) would know all about these beings. |
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Dec 27 2006, 01:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
Know yes.. but encountered? Just think about everythong you have known but not yet encountered. Life is crazy and I'm telling you I'm not starting to be surprised by anything. Hell this december alone A grandtheft auto like killing help up a major train station here in chicago. Heard of it, did it in a video game, but never encoutered it in real life. That I can be thankful for.
Now think of dragons in their lairs all the time. They have a chance to see them but how many encountered them. How many of your players enocunter every threat in the book? How many of the Dragons do you think encountered Ghostwalker comming out of the rift let alone really see one in their life time? And were not just talking about the greats were talking all dragons. Just a thought |
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Dec 27 2006, 02:07 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
#1 ... Why would you assume that Dragons spend all the time in their lairs? This is not D&D.
#2 ... We're talking about creatures that live for many millenia. The odds rise dramatically that these creatures would have encountered most, if not all of the various critters in the world, especially if the critters are in any way magically inclined. |
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Dec 27 2006, 03:18 AM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
I have to go with Fortune here, GDs would certainly be familiar with Jinns. Though obivously some more than others. Ghosthwalker is the know-it-all about spirits, so he'd be all in the known, as well as without a doubt middle eastern dragons. But, as all GDs have a wide array of worldwide interests, they'd at least all know a great deal about Jinns, even if they don't have to deal with any.
Lesser dragons, however, wouldn't necessarely know much about Jinns if they don't need to deal with them. |
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Dec 27 2006, 04:32 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
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Dec 27 2006, 06:26 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Cool. I forgot all about Kenson's stuff.
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Dec 27 2006, 06:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
If you can bottle that and sell it to certain other posters on here, Fortune, you can make some good money.
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Dec 27 2006, 03:58 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
... he cold make a Fortune? Hah.. hah... ahhh that was terrible. |
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Dec 27 2006, 06:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
What else would dragons do besides sit in their lair? Damon is the only dragon we hear about that travels a lot. Other than that how often do you leave your house and travel about to encounter a jinn? Plus in the dragons pdf (check out the ancheint files) it talks about dragon life and mentions nothing about them leaving their lair unless something important comes up. Would Jinn qualify as important enough for a dragon to leave its lair to go actually seek one out? Earthdawn/Shadowrun would it matter?
Just saying there is a ton of things to experiance regardless of being an imortal and being all knowing about magic. Can something or anything surprise a dragon every once in a while? Gezz thats all I'm asking for, let them discover someting new and be humbled for ONCE!? Nah that would be like D & D wouldnt it? |
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Dec 27 2006, 06:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 19-August 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9,168 |
At least a couple of them seem to run huge, multinational corporations.
Now if you're defining lair broadly, in terms of their boardrooms, mansions, etc, then sure. But if you're meaning one physical location where they sit quitely waiting for stuff to happen, I don't think that's accurate. |
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Dec 27 2006, 07:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
Well yeah broadly comes by default. Dragons to me are probably the highest level of celeberty you could get. Hell I hate watching VH1 when they talk bout how much celebs spend then I would have seeing a vh1 special about dragons and how much they spend. Good I would vomit.
I just tend to beleive dragons get in SR would get wrapped up in their lives a little bit more. Loffwyr is the greatest example of a dragon that might have so much on his plate that he can get away to exepriance a jinn. He might have heard of one but actually taken a trip to see one..... probably not thats where I'm comming from and thats why dragons have drakes and other servants to do their dirty work. I wonder how many work hours dragons put into their bussinesses planing, ploting, scheming and thats not including the recreation of going to see a jinn in real life. Is it just me or do you guys think I'm sounding like a noob? Cuz if thats the case just come out and say it so we can get to the nuts and bolts of this :D |
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Dec 27 2006, 07:47 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 19-August 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9,168 |
Noob. ;)
Generally speaking, dragons are very busy. But very busy, spread out over the course of 400 years averages out. I compare the number of things I've experienced today versus when I was 21. It's a *huge* difference. And for the majority of them, I didn't set out to experience them - they just happened in the course of events. I multiply that by 40, and man.... |
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Dec 27 2006, 08:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
LOL, :S Jerk...
At 25 I think of all the stuff I havent experianced and wont get to enjoy becaue of all you old fogies. Quick question though, when I'm 30 will I actually get to enjoy my money or does that come at 27? I just want one year to enjoy life and some wealth before I'm old. Overall though :D Point taken ;) |
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Dec 27 2006, 08:45 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
:rotfl: When Lofwyr wants a Jinn, he has it delivered. What's the good of running the world's richest corporation if you still have to hunt up your own dinner? ;) |
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Dec 27 2006, 10:54 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Bad example. There are "hermit" dragons... Though one can't begin to guess how much astral travel they do. But Lofwyr is some kind of maniac, a workaholic even by Dragon's standard always working on his plans. And hardly just from his lair. He has been known to act as Johnson on rare occasion (Mr. Brackhaus) and has personnally killed the Nachtmeister (Another great dragon) in duel. He doesn't bury hismelf in his techno lair 24/7. He's the most ubiquitous SR character. And as for jinn? The Middle East is one of his main battlefield. You can count on him to know everything about the Middle East, whether political or mystical. He'd be more likley to be less knowedgeable about things from South America, for example. |
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Dec 28 2006, 01:22 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
No, that would be his (former) man in the Middle East, Saied Bey. |
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Dec 28 2006, 08:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
Ok so Loffy is on his crackberry all the time and works from home. When would he get time to actively search and see a jinn in 2070? If we take into considering if he is even interested in one I think he would read about it on Jackport. |
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Dec 28 2006, 08:31 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
In one his Astral Romp through what is one his primary battle grounds (Middle East). And how do you get that he always work from home from my post when I clearly stated that he didn't. He is known to take matter in his own claws regularly. Being quite probably the toughest critter in the world, he can pull off things his associates can't. Like outright killing another great dragon in duel. |
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Dec 28 2006, 08:39 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 19-August 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9,168 |
Additionally, one of the benefits of being in the wireless world of 2070 is that location is pretty much irrelevant. Lowf could take a week long jaunt to the Middle East, and continue to work just like he always has on his commlink and the matrix....
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Dec 28 2006, 09:26 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Though he, like all GD's, has an army of people doing his bidding. Why use up 100 hours of your time to track down a Jinn and research it, when you can just have someone else spend those 100 hours, and then give you the report that can be read in 2 minutes. Or even better, mind-probed in 2 seconds. |
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Dec 28 2006, 10:19 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Wouldn't take him 100 hours to track down a jinn. One metaplane trip to the approriate location and he's done. If SR jinn are basically just spirits, he'll know that. If they are something more, he'll know. Are they something new that he hasn't confronted in the fourth age? Then he'll check it out personnally. I can't imagine there's a whole a lot a great dragon doesn't know about anything astrally or magically related. Whenever an immortal expressed surprised about magic in the sixth world it has been about how fast certain entities came back into play, never about what they are. |
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Dec 29 2006, 12:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
I get that being imortal gives.... nevermind. Your right Dragons know all about Jinns and wouldnt be surprised by them. :S
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Dec 29 2006, 05:21 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Passive agressive is a nice color on you.
Still, the only dragon likely to know more about anything Middle East magic related than Lofwyr is Sirrurg (the one who destroyed Teheran and opposes Lofwyr's influence in the region). If you want to surprise Lofwyr with a magic twist he possibly hasn't much familiarity with, at least try something South American. That's about the only place where I've never read of Lofwyr having interests in so he's bound to have less exposure to magic from the area. |
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Dec 29 2006, 05:28 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
That's Aden, the Sirrush (feathered variant). Sirrug lives in Amazonia. But hey, nobody really likes Lowfyr anyways.
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