 can I get a quick yes/no?, Slivergun + gassvent |
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 Jan 2 2007, 04:42 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 4-September 06 From: Salt Lake UT Member No.: 9,299  |
Can u put a gass vent on a slivergun in SR4 or is the barrel mount taken by the integral sound suppressor?
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Jan 2 2007, 04:53 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The internal Sound Suppressor does not utilize the barrel mount.
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Jan 2 2007, 04:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 6-December 06 Member No.: 10,259 |
Ditto Fortune.
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 Jan 2 2007, 06:12 AM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 8,982 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
I don't think you can put GasVents on Pistols in SR4, if you strictly follow the rules.
But the Slivergun does have a free mount on the barrel. Bye Thanee |
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Jan 2 2007, 06:35 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
You can put them on machine pistols, SMGs, assault rifles, and machine guns. Technically, the Ares Viper Slivergun is a heavy pistol, but most GMs would probably still consider it a machine pistol, since it is capable of burst fire.
The sound suppression is not a problem, since the sidebar on pgs. 301 and 302 states that integral accessories don't take up mount locations. |
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Jan 2 2007, 08:15 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Wouldn't gas vents be akin to Sound Vents and ruin the sound suppression? Like hacking holes in your car's muffler?
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Jan 2 2007, 09:20 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Right. IRL, it wouldn't work. But neither would the AVS to begin with, so make of that what you will.
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Jan 2 2007, 11:31 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
Of course, IRL, sound suppressors provide recoil compensation of their own. Those who want more "realistic" rules for sound suppression and recoil compensation should check out Raygun's rules on it here, although they would need a wee bit of tweaking to use for SR4.
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Jan 2 2007, 06:47 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
In that case then the Savelette Guardian in SR3 was a machine pistol too, despite being a heavy pistol with the ability to burst fire (admittedly as a complex action). You'll also notice those same machine pistols are capable of FA, which the slivergun is not. Slivergun is a heavy pistol, it cannot accept a gas vent per RAW. (although why they don't have muzzle breaks for pistols in SR is beyond me) |
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Jan 2 2007, 10:54 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
a simple yes/no on dumpshock? may is ask what the poster have smoked and if there is anything left? :silly:
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Jan 2 2007, 11:08 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
not only that, but a simple yes/no answer when the question was about *guns* of all things. it's danged near impossible to say the word guns and shadowrun in the same sentence without starting a few rants. |
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Jan 2 2007, 11:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 393 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,754 |
I'd say no. Gas vent and sound suppression manage the gases very specifically. They're not compatible.
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Jan 2 2007, 11:19 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
That's what the guys who know about it tells us. Shadowrun has the Ingram Smartgun instead, which has both sound supressor and gas vent. |
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Jan 2 2007, 11:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 4-December 06 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 10,193 |
It's futuretech! I'd say that 80% of the tech in SR is impossible anyway, why the flat 'no' for gun parts? |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 4-September 06 From: Salt Lake UT Member No.: 9,299 |
Sigh... It's my fault. What i meant was; "does the sound suppression on a slivergun take up the barel mount spot precludeing the additioin of an aftermarket gass vent." I swear to god I serchfued 5 times to avoid haveing to start this thread. I thought I'd be able to count the votes on both sides and make my ruleing on the tally. I also noticed that I mistakenly call it sound suppression instead of the more "Precise" Silencer when what I ment was the shadowrun silencer not the RL supressor which I know you cant have on a RL slivergun. :grinbig: Now that I've opened that can of worms--again--I wish I really did have something to smoke. |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:32 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
suppresor, man! Don't make Raygun yell at you! :D
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Jan 3 2007, 12:41 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Because of the way that firearms work and how that's unlikely to change much in the future, or at least according to the way Shadowrun describes most of them. The short answer is that all firearms use high-pressure gases to propel a bullet from a barrel. Gas vents use that high pressure gas and redirect it in a fashion that compensates for the rise of the muzzle. As that high-pressure gas equalizes with the atmospheric pressure it expands very quickly, which in turn creates a lot of noise. Sound suppressors obviously try to limit the noise that's created by the muzzle blast. They do so by first containing the pressure, then reducing it and slowing its escape from the firearm. Because a gas vent needs relatively high pressure to do its job of mitigating recoil effectively, it can't work in conjunction with a device that is designed to reduce said pressure. The less pressure there is, the less effective the gas vent will be. The more pressure that's allowed to be released into the atmosphere, the more noise there will be. |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:50 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Too late :D
Thanks Raygun, OTP, is one of my players, so it's nice to have a jump on answers before they come up in game. That's what I would have figured, but it's nice to have someone that knows what they're talking about give some details. |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 4-September 06 From: Salt Lake UT Member No.: 9,299 |
So is my buddie's vented Taurus .357 louder or quieter?
[edit]Damnit Raygun! That was completely uncalled for. I almost had a super cool Zero Recoil dual wielding Slivergun Samurai. I'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU! Ok I forgive you but you should think about who you're huting before you start slinging that your-character-won't-work-because-of-physics Jive :grinbig: |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:59 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
Neither. |
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Jan 3 2007, 01:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 4-September 06 From: Salt Lake UT Member No.: 9,299 |
if it's the speed of the gas that causes a sound doesn't the same amount of gas traveling through multiple ports and different vectors cause the gas to be slower not to mention vented into a larger area?
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Jan 3 2007, 01:11 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
With revolvers, you've got gasses escaping the barrel through the gap between the barrel and the cylinder. while the surface area of whatever openings are on the business end of the barrel may factor into it, I have a feeling the bulk of the sound escaping a revolver is determined at your cylinder gap.
That's just my gut instinct, and the gun experts might very well show me that I'm mistaken, but if the purpose of this thread is quick answers, "Neither" is mine. |
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Jan 3 2007, 01:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
I believe the purpose of the thread is yes/no answers. |
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Jan 3 2007, 01:22 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
Then, No. To both "is it louder?" and "is it quieter?"
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Jan 3 2007, 01:25 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
Upon further review I see that it was actually quick yes/no answers, so I guess I was just a wrong by omission.
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