[X] My Assistant

[Req]

[Shadow]

Frag you know how the Fixer system works right? The Redline has an availibilty of 18/3 weeks. And a price tag of 225,000 on the street. That's a lot of money for a pistol and a long time to wait for it.

[Kanada Ten]

Residual heat is the main side effect of laser usage (80% of the energy used to create a beam is converted to heat waste) and would probably reduce one's signature by a point for a moment or two. SR lasers can be used rapidly without heat build up so they must transfer heat very efficiently.

Let us speak no more of real lasers, they have nothing to do with SR lasers.

[Frag-o Delux]

Yes you call your Fixer and say you want a Redline then you roll your Etiquette skill versus the availibility of the Redline then if you successed your fixer sets up a meeting. Then when you go the meet a price is set 75,000 :nuyen: to 225,000 :nuyen: based street index. Then you take in edges, favors and cost of living, then you negotiate. Who ever wins depending on successes can adjust the price up or down in a GM approved increment, or you can use some successes to reduce the wait time. If you struck a deal you exchange the goods, or shot the bastard down and try to make off with it. That is it right? I am I missing something?

That is why I said I will most likely have to steal it myself out of the Ares warehouse.

I can't remember where I'll look later but they have a optional rule that says if you pay extra you can reduce the availibility but increase the walls have ears. Supposedly paying more means people will beat more bushes looking for what you want but a lot of potenial problems will arise since even grand ma knows what you are after.

I know lasers in SR are not real, I even stated that in the opening post. I am just trying to get a feel for how they would work in RL. Whats wrong with trying to put a little realism in the game? If Req says they would knock a building down with the thunder clap then since he seems real knowlegable about lasers then I'll take his word. But I just wanted to get a wide spread of info because if you take the first answer to a question on a public board chances are you will get it wrong. I am not saying people are lying to me on purpose they may be just misinformed, I know I am a fair bit of times or I just remember things wrong. Like I have said before I have never seen a laser in real life that could destroy things, so I have idea what it feels like, sounds like, or looks like, I just find some stuff hard to believe.

[Kanada Ten]

To actually do what SR proposes would require a radical leap in laser technology. So comparing them is near worthless because we do not know what they did to solve all the impossibilities.

Leave a slight vapor tail? Sure.

Leave a heat residue? Sure.

Ionize the air? Sure.

Thunder? Not really loud until the range gets very long. See, the beam is very small so the volume of air moved is small as well, meaning that the volume should be low. Real life damaging lasers are loud because the beam size and power both have to be enormous (though the focus point can be small).

There will be a bright flash as the beam hits the target, fire is a very likely after affect including the target's skin (seriously), and smoke. If you're close to the target residue from the reaction will be a danger.

Fire will be localized and not spread unless conditions are ideal for such (like hitting paper or an accelerant).

[Rev]

[Shadow]

[Shadow]

As a side note I rolled 6 dice with a TN of 18, using the NSRCG dice roller. I rolled 30 times and never got an 18.

[mfb]

in my game, at least, a laser weapon is not silent--mainly because something important like that would probably be mentioned in the rules, if it were. most of what i know about lasers came from watching Real Genius once, so i've never bothered with an explanation of the noises they make--or, rather, i won't bother, when and if i GM someone who uses them. i think the thunderclap idea is interesting, though.

[Shockwave_IIc]

[Frag-o Delux]

I have an etiquette of 6. :D I can't fight, so I bluff or bribe. :D In fact I am going to raise the next Karma award I need some good electronics toys, my maglock passkey 4 has almost gotten me busted for the last time. I was about to get my butt kicked by a group of Marines, then I convienced them they can have "my" car if they just let me walk home and not kick my butt. Then as I walked home I called the LS to report "my" car stolen. I can't fight I have no combat skills, or anything. I had to defualt to through a punch one game, I won the fight but broke my wrist.

We usually give bonuses for having the contact that is right or penalties for contacts that are wrong. One of the fixers my character currently uses has two or three military "friends" but is far from a mil spec fixer, the other one problably couldn't get me cigarettes, the bastard. But the GM really wouldn't penalized me for a Redline, in the description I believe it says Ares developed it for "Security" not for "Military" purposes. So as a security weapon it gets hard to find but I don't think you would need a fixer any more important than a guy who can get assualt rifles or LAWS. I mean do you have a fixer for every piece of equipement or grade of equipment?

I was basically right, in truth we do fixing a little different then the book, so what I said was from memory of what I read in the BBB. We have the fixer roll his acquisition skill to see if he has it in stock, then we roll etiquette to see if he will part with it, to us any way, then we negoitate the price. The time is if he says he has it, that means that is when he expects it to be delivered from the smuggler or who is bringiing it in, then the negotiations is to determine price and if we talk him into putting a rush on it. Sometimes the time represents him tracking one down for us and getting it to us. If he fails then that means he can't find one or has it marked for someone else.

For the third time, I will more then likely steal it from the Ares warehouse myself. It is much cheaper and slightly easier to pay a decker friend tell me where they are being stashed, an going to get it myself. I know my GM he is going to be a hard case about it, but in our games the PC's drive the game. Most of our runs come from the runners. We tell the GM what we want from our characters. 90% of the time the characters are setting off the action and the fixer calls us once in a while looking for us to take some work. The character I am playing now breaks into corp compounds just to map the security system, were guns are, doors, equipment type and maker, then puts together security porfolios to sell to fixers for their runner stables.

I have the ability to roll fantasic numbers, I regularly roll 40 and higher. Even though I can stop after 12 or 14 what ever the TN is but I usually keep rolling to see what I get.

[Shadow]

Well what I was saying was from the book, if you have a house rule that makes it easier, or your GM is Monty Haul, then don't worry about. Hell, get two and off-handed weapons skill!

[Frag-o Delux]

I understand that is from the book,I even said what I recited was from what I remembered from the book rules, but when our GM took over from the old GM we had two or three of the books, none of them had the offical availibility rules. So when he took over as GM we had to go by the way the old GM showed us how to play. Then we noticed the Fixer was had a acquisition skill but we culdn't find any where were he would use it. So we developed our own version of acquisition. In fact I think It makes it harder to get what you want, because the Fixer has to see if he has it, the 18, then we have to convince him we are the guys he should sell it to another 18, then we negotiate, it is also another fail safe to make sure lucky rolls don't screw the GM. So we are far from Monty Haul which I assume means he gives what ever we want. Now if the Fixer has what ever it is we want but he refuses to sell it to us, we can also try to bribe him to sell it to us. So after some playingand buying up the books we didn't have when the old GM took off, and reading the rules we slowly fixied what we thought was wrong in our way of playing ompared to the offical rules. We liked our fixer rules.

Two weapon style doesn't fit my idea of the character's style or personality so that is out of the question.