 FanPro D Newsletter Jan. 2007 |
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 Jan 21 2007, 02:00 AM
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Immoral Elf  Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486  |
Or Chicago. ;) |
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Jan 21 2007, 02:31 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Chicago has been my guess all along for being in the book, and probably being one of the two main features. I'm going to take a stab here and guess that since a great number of English-language players are Americans, and because Fanpro D bypasses the problem by adding on to their translation a (expanded) section on a German city/city-state/region that we can always expect one of the major cities to be North American. To that end, I imagine Chicago's high in the running for that spot. Boston, too, maybe. Although the description of what happened to it in System Failure is inconsistent when you look at references to it in Street Magic. Berlin? Not so much. IIRC from one of the descriptions (I think Synner's thread about freelancing) it's about cities that are struggling just to exist. Berlin, especially with half now being one large corporate enclave, hardly qualifies compared to Chicago or Fort Dauphin, Madagascar, or cities on the fringe of the SOX. Every time I start making lists like this, the urge to pick one and sell Fanpro on it arises. But just for speculation's sake, my guess for other cities would include Sydney, Tehran, Tripoli, Copenhagen, SOX, Auberge, the Wild Zones in Great Britain, Galicia in Spain, Los Angeles/San Diego, Fort Dauphin or Tamatave, Sekondi, Asamando, San Francisco, Kittimat, Panama City, Stockholm, Calcutta, and Kuala Lumpur. My list for Cities of Intrigue is even longer (although I've narrowed it down to about 8-10), but I actually put some serious thought into it, weeding the list down. Most of the above are off the top of my head, plus what I added by checking a couple of books against ideas (e.g., cities nuked during System Failure).
Depends on how much is time specific. |
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Jan 21 2007, 03:07 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 2-January 07 From: SOX, German Part Member No.: 10,513 |
The SOX got now it's own book in Germany. Not a good idea to put the same info's in another book you want to sell there ;)
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Jan 21 2007, 05:47 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 18-October 05 Member No.: 7,855 |
Call me a cynic (mainly because I am), but I'm not suprised by the delay, although I'm kind of miffed that the boys to the east will be getting the new books before us Americans. My group's mantra has become "I can't wait for Arsenal to come out, I can't wait for Arsenal to come out, I can't wait for..." We all like to joke about how there's never enough gear, but damn it, we were right! We've taken to just using the stats for things and giving them other names so that everyone isn't walking around with a Pred and driving a Comet...
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Jan 21 2007, 08:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 193 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
In the English version as well? |
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Jan 21 2007, 08:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 193 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
True, and it was designed not to be time-specific to begin with. But you still have the issue that the SOX is not exactly a city - maybe sprawlbooks could evolve into featuring whole regions rather than cities, I don't know. |
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Jan 21 2007, 08:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 193 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
If you're talking about the SOX book here, the reason is simply that the development and writing is handled by a German-French team, with plans to release it in both languages for their respective markets (in other words it will be a new book in the German line, and the first one in the upcoming French line). The delay doesn't come from FanPro US, it comes from decent English not being the primary development language for the book - the English version isn't actually finished yet. |
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Jan 21 2007, 01:03 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
And the Milano-Turin sprawl in Italy. |
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Jan 21 2007, 02:01 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
To waylay possible confusion, I'll repeat what I've said elsewhere:
The modified tac-nukes used by Winternight were detonated at relatively high altitude (1 to 2 kms) to ensure their EMPulse had significant range to knock out as much as possible while still assuring the pulse was powerful enough to cascade through power systems to knock out Matrix hubs. The EMP suitcase nukes were not intended to cause massive loss of life or property, that's what the fault line nukes were for. Besides their symbolic value (there's a reason Winternight called it Operation Mjolnir), the EMP strikes (like the sat strikes which also had a symbolic component) were primarily intended to ensure Pax and Jormungand didn't get their way (Winternight could not risk Loki gaining the upper hand) and seed communications chaos when the big event came (any collateral damage was welcomed though). Medium altitude airburst nuclear explosions have much less fallout and lasting radiation effects, and with a diminished shockwave ground-effect direct damage from the explosion is also limited (depending on exact location and a number of environmental factors). This is to say some cities hit during System Failure will have suffered more damage than others but none of them have been wiped off the map. The San Francisco Bay area probably isn't looking too good, Calcutta, Kittimat and Singapore were badly hit. Boston less so. 5 years have passed and cleanup of some areas has been prompt and well-financed. Others have been left to wither for lack of resources, strategic interest and political expediency. |
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Jan 21 2007, 04:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
Los Angeles has already been confirmed (alongside Tokyo) as a main entry in Corp Enclaves. |
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Jan 21 2007, 05:57 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 2-January 07 From: SOX, German Part Member No.: 10,513 |
GeMiTo and Chicago are surely good choices for Feral Cities too. But I'm sure there will be some more cities and within these we'll find rather Berlin than SOX.
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Jan 21 2007, 11:42 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Damn you for thinking of GeMiTo before me!
San Diego, then. Or they can pretend none of this earthquake shit ever happened. It wouldn't be the first time.
Well, to be fair 30 km is generally the upper bounds of a nuclear air burst. 1 km (I'm going with one since that's what the book says) is more like a ground burst as far as I'm concerned.
Well, setting it off over the Golden Gate Bridge wasn't exactly the greatest location to try and destroy the bay area's Matrix infrastructure.
Less so? Didn't it detonate in the middle of downtown? I mean, I'm looking at the FAS nuclear effect calculator, and even if it maintained the destructive effect of a 90KT groundburst after focusing "most" if its energy into an EMP blast, Cambridge (and therefore MIT&T and the DIMR) is on the fringe of getting destroyed by the pressure shock wave and within the area of the heat blast. And that's for a ground burst that they set as "being in a car." An airbust at 90KT would destroy Cambridge. A 1 KM air burst is most definitely not a medium-altitude detonation, which as far as I'm concerned negates most of your point, but either way... You're wrong. And people wonder why the whole thing makes me want to vomit. |
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Mar 5 2007, 12:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 138 Joined: 1-September 02 From: France Member No.: 3,208 |
Note : the French version will, in any case, be published after the German one. Maybe a couple of month, probably more. They are far more advanced than us, for various reasons. |
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Mar 5 2007, 09:19 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Then you might want to type in a 2 to 5 KT airburst explosion (you might also want to use the specs for the US military's Mk-54 SADM if you have access to them). You may also want to figure that normal military usage with regards to airburst nuclear devices places medium altitude at 1,2 miles or higher - which makes 1 km relatively high altitude proportionately to the explosive power of low-yield suitcase nukes (which-with a couple of honorable exceptions- aren't typically designed for ballistic deployment). Or maybe you misunderstood the size of a standard suitcase nuke (as defined by the US military)? Blast radius is typically less than 250m. Airburst shockwaves and heat waves will have serious effects out to 2 or 3 kms, but without the ground-effect the shockwaves at least will be minimized. Not only that, but the radioactive material and long-term fallout are greatly reduced. And, please note, that I'm not even citing the built-in hand-waving of Winternight's arcane modifications to the weapons - which were intended to further convert the explosive effects to EM output.
It only went off over the Bay because MCT was trying to drag the blimp away. It was intended to go off over Saito's command post on Alcatraz (as noted in one of the adventures). |
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Mar 5 2007, 11:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Kansas Member No.: 8,304 |
Oh goodie...books with more guns are coming *drools* my adept gun slinger needs more toys. *straps on his toys and hops away*
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Mar 6 2007, 12:25 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Must be because I've been out of the loop for a fair while now, but Cities of Intrigue? What's this one meant to be about?
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Mar 6 2007, 02:05 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 18-October 05 Member No.: 7,855 |
No no, I didn't mean it like that. It's just a principal sort of thing. I guess I'm still pissed about Unwired having an ETA of 2070... |
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Mar 6 2007, 07:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 193 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
Well, then correct me if I'm wrong, but do the Germans publish their translations of the American line books *before* the original sourcebooks hit the shelves in the US? I doubt it, although I might be wrong. |
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Mar 6 2007, 01:25 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
It will be a sprawl book like Runner Havens. It isn't in development yet, so I can't say what it will definitely be about, but the title is pretty clear. It will focus on cities with a theme of cloak-and-dagger style intrigue, particularly cities where national and international governments and government agencies still have a good deal of power and influence. |
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Mar 6 2007, 10:30 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 18-October 05 Member No.: 7,855 |
You mean it doesn't work that way? This changes my whole world view now! I mean, in Space Balls they had Mr. Rental that had the movies out before they were made, and Mel Brooks is never wrong! [/overly dramatic sarcasm] Now on to what I meant: I am displeased that the next book out will not be one available to me, or at least, will require me to learn German. And it is not that I really want SOX, because I don't quite give two craps about it right now. Its simply a childish desire for source material, an immature, nerdy hunger that borders on primal. It's just jealousy. "The grass is always greener on the other continent" or something like that. The book that should have been out first (Unwired) isn't even on the scopes, and my cynical, bitter nature is telling me that it'll come out just as the hype for SR5 is starting, and my displeasure over it is spilling into just about every release announcement. I very well might buy Emergence just so I can eat it... :P |
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Mar 8 2007, 06:05 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 138 Joined: 1-September 02 From: France Member No.: 3,208 |
It's a global world. And about 3 or 4 billion people don't read English, and some of them may actually want or enjoy reading and playing Shadowrun. They get by. I did when I was a teenager. Plus, Fanpro has plan to disclose the sourcebook part in English, I've read. This seems quite obscure and/or complex right now, but in time, should be solved. So, be patient :) Or, you could also learn French :P |
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Mar 8 2007, 09:19 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Never! :D
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