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 Nov 10 2003, 03:04 PM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437  |
No kiddin.... that would be awesome... I will definitely start that kinda campaign when I pick up the reigns in December. Every Runner being hunted down by both Gov't and Corp alike would be a far more interesting game concept than all this magic-flux type we currently hit. :P You know the kinda team a gov't would put together to hunt down Runners would be scary. A Forensics team that will find every possible piece of evidence and a kick-ass team that will hunt them down through the help of the Gov'ts Magickal Group team. (replace the word Gov't with Corp for the same effect as they team-up to stop the Shadows).
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Nov 10 2003, 08:12 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
Richard Villiers precisely owns personally all JRJ shares to be sure, even if Novatech should break up, he would stays in the Court (Corporate Download page 71). Even if he should die as all his heir (I guess Samantha, Caroline and maybe Lanier would be potential heir), he's an UCAS citizen. That only let to the CAS two way to acquire JRJ: nationalization (assuming it is headquartered in the CAS) which would undoubtly result in an loss of the Corp Court seat ; or offering more money than all the other people, corps and governments in the world who'd like a permanent AAA slot and a Z-OG share.
World Weapons is a company incorporated in the Seattle state, UCAS by Diderson Ksyogy (see Seattle Guide) and later acquired by Monobe International and then by Ares Arms (both being extraterritorial). Chartering a company and doing business somewhere are two different things. To do business in a foreign country, a company can obtain a license of some sort to do business, rent or acquire a building and employ people ; or charter a local company, 100% or partially owned. Some countries only accept the second option (IIRC in SR Tir Tairngire for instance). There is nothing that says if Weapons World rent its shop placement and do business inside Renraku territory with a license or through a "local" subsidiary chartered in "Renraku-land". Then you can argue over which of these are first possible and then likely. On my own, I think it would create so much loopholes and abuses the system wouldn't resist more than a month. Think about Enron, Andersen and similar stuff, then consider a situation in which the big corps could rewrite as they want the rules of accountancy, bankruptcy and corporate governance each passing month... Even the Corporate Court wouldn't allow that. |
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Nov 11 2003, 12:04 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I'm lost. But I've worked in companies before the had subsidiaries inside the same building. You'd have to make work manifests to get the products from one side, and bill of ladens when delivered. Maybe they were only on paper, or just different becuase it is all the same corporation?
As for the rewriting of rules, the reason it wouldn't happen would be to attract and keep businesses inside the corp land -the same a governments. We could easily nationalize everything, rewrite all the rules, ect, but that isn't good for long-term business or investments. Why would nationalizing JRJ make it lose the Court seat? What if the PCC or UCAS already had a seat at that point? |
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Nov 11 2003, 12:39 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Probably because it was explicitly stated in one of the corp books that the only reason the shadow community exists is because the corps allow them to. If the corps collectively decide to eradicate the shadow community, then the community as we know it is toast. It cannot exist without the corp's consent. Period. That was stated directly in canon. I would hate to see them take a completely implausible storyline and go against established canon to do it.
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Nov 11 2003, 12:48 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Unless it was just one corp that decided to do it.
The reasoning behinde the shadows existing because of corps is becuase the corps are the ones that play for the runs more than anything, IMO. If they collectivly decided to kill the shadows, simply not hiring shadowrunners would work easier than a bloody war. |
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Nov 11 2003, 12:59 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
The problem with that method, though, would be the Prisoner's Dilemma. It might be in the best interests for all the corps to cease using runners, but it's in the even better interest of any given corp to employ runners while everyone else doesn't hire them. The only way to ensure compliance would be for the runner pool to cease to exist.
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Nov 11 2003, 02:18 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
All you have to do is to start massacring every runner that shows up for meets, randomly. One corp could do that and do it easlily enough to virtually eliminate the shadow community. Corps have after all effectively unlimited resources for this sort of thing.
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Nov 11 2003, 02:55 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 19-July 03 Member No.: 4,984 |
Well as Kagetenshi pointed out, it would always be profitable for corps to use runners, especially when other corps aren't. So even if you were able to kill off the Shadowrun community for awhile, it'd come back because the market for it would still exist.
On the other hand, I don't think it'd be a good campaign idea to have corps just go after runners in general, but instead what I was saying was that, the corps decide that it's not a good idea to afford runners the luxury of Shadowland, which a lot of information (that they dont want out) crops up on, so they decide to destroy one, and the campaign would be about the shadow reprisal that the Cap mentions in Target: Matrix. The campaign could focus either more on individual teams being hunted because they were hired to get the Shadowland physical hardware to safety, or focus more on teams hired as part of the reprisal against the corps. |
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Nov 11 2003, 03:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519 |
I said 'one or two' corps going after runners because I knew that having a plotline where the Court goes after runners is just about suicide. Having the Corporate Court after your hide is a death sentence, period.
I was thinking more along the lines of what Userlimit is saying...have a megacorp like, say, I don't know, Aztechnology get a bug up its ass and try to take out some data havens. The Shadows react, and the other corps just kind of stay at the sidelines to see what happens. |
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Nov 11 2003, 06:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 806 |
Maybe a powerful independent, like Chimera, Tamanous or whomever, decides to try a hostile takeover of the shadow community in a limited area say Seattle?
It begins slowly and stealthy, some fixers and others from 'backdrop professions' getting bribed or coerced into working with this unknown group. Not long after that, "the offer you won't refuse" will be made to runners. It'll all seem like some "underworld super-network", but still be safe enough to not frighten people off. Sure there'll be some rumors or someone knows of someone who has quietly disappeared after saying no to something. But that's the common talk in the underworld, right? The plot behind the network could be to gain enough intel to wipe out a majority of the shadowrunning society and emulate their methods, or scoop up those deemed valuable and loyal enough, and wipe out the rest (why not use the first group against the other...). As mentioned; The network group could be a rogue threat org or/and be a project with megacorp backing to secretly gain hold of the SR community, complete with staged runs against themselves, every now and then. The bottom line will be: Layers and layers of subterfuge, red herrings aplenty about who's pulling the strings and a touch of 'Bodysnatchers'. |
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Nov 11 2003, 07:23 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
And what's their motivation, what do they gain from that?
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Nov 11 2003, 08:24 AM
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Isn't this basically Dunkelzahn's network of Watchers (many being Fixers) that was revealed in POAD: DS seven years ago? |
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Nov 11 2003, 10:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 806 |
You know, immediately after I wrote the post, I realized that too. Well, it only proves it can be pulled off. But this time, add Evil Intent™ to the mix :P. |
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