 High-tech armor in the news, Full battle armor |
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 Jan 14 2007, 09:59 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 30-December 06 Member No.: 10,493  |
[img]http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/images/hs/hs1558762_1.jpg[/img]
Click Right, so no image links. Anyway, it's basically 'comfortable' suit of armor with integreated pepper-spray, audio recording, and magnetic holsters, made out of ceramic and plastic/foam. |
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Jan 14 2007, 10:18 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Compared to his BPS (Bear Protection Suit), it looks quite light. ;)
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Jan 14 2007, 10:26 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
What the hell are you doing reading the 'Spec'? Damn, that kinda makes me homesick.
Oh, and the armor's cool. |
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Jan 14 2007, 10:30 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...damn, the Packer's OL could use this stuff. Maybe a lighter version for Mr Farve...
All kidding aside... Still looks a bit bulky but at 18 kilos (just under 40#) not as bad if the soldier is in excellent shape. My only concern is environmental, such as what the troops in Iraq are facing. I've spoken with people who were forced to wear hazmat gear in 100F+ heat. Not fun. This looks like it would be a bear (ok, bad pun intended) to walk around in during a Baghdad summer. |
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Jan 14 2007, 11:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 10-July 05 Member No.: 7,492 |
Depending on the quality of the solar cells, it could be possible to mount a small AC unit that would at least keep the air inside the suit the same temperature as the air outside. At least, during the day it could.
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Jan 14 2007, 11:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 |
Interesting. Looks like it would be hard to shoot while wearing it and ammo pouches would make movement difficult. Still, it won't take long for someone to develop bullets to penetrate it. Our Russian "allies" have already made and marketed bullets designed to penetrate the latest vests our troops are wearing. If nothing else, a 40mm grenade from your regular grenade launcher would chew it up, provided the suit offered a hard enough surface to make it detonate.
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Jan 15 2007, 01:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042 |
You mean that if an infantryman takes a 40mm grenade in the chest while wearing this armor, he'll die? :eek:
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Jan 15 2007, 01:17 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
But if he was naked, he wouldnt suffer a scratch... funny that. :silly: |
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Jan 15 2007, 02:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 4-September 06 Member No.: 9,304 |
Anything that has a chance of increasing survival rates in the field is worth looking at. With hard armor, and today's tech, you might be able to fit a lot of tech into the suit that wouldn't have worked a few years ago.
Even a cooling system isn't impossible. A biomonitor and an auto-medkit? Better vision uprades with HUD. Etc... |
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Jan 15 2007, 04:32 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
I knew this guy would get around to the military applications of his bear suit research sooner or later. Actually seeing the end result though? Damn. He turned the Hollywood factor up to 11, but in this case, I think it's justifiable.
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Jan 15 2007, 04:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Nova Scotia, Canada Member No.: 8,631 |
Version 1.0 of your standard MJOLNIR battle armor, or pretty much any combat and/or space suit pictured in movies, tv or video games. ;)
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Jan 15 2007, 05:03 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
If you make that with nanotube, then you maybe COULD stop a grenade.
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Jan 15 2007, 05:19 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the biggest problem i see is that it's not smooth enough. walking through the bush, you're going to end up with all kinds of crap stuck in the crevices of your armor. looks cool, though.
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Jan 15 2007, 07:13 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, kinda reminds me of a sci-fi show i used to watch...
and the intimidation factor alone would make it a nice sell to riot squads all over the world... oh and mfb, i think its primary role is urban ops... |
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Jan 15 2007, 07:35 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,629 Joined: 14-December 06 Member No.: 10,361 |
He's like a gear of war with a handlebar moustache!
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Jan 15 2007, 07:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 4-September 06 Member No.: 9,304 |
If anyone picks up on his armor, I am sure that they will streamline it. Make it that much more useful in all environments.
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Jan 15 2007, 07:59 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Any particular reason you think this provides better protection than an Interceptor vest with ESAPI plates? Seems more likely to me it's worse, at just 18 kilos and a ridiculously low price tag. I'd be surprised if it could reliably stop 7.62x51mm FMJs. I have heard of 7.62x54mmR ammo that supposedly can penetrate the Interceptor + ESAPI, but I can't find hard data on anything that'd fit the bill. If 7N13 with its simple hardened steel core, a slight improvement over the .30-06 M2 AP round all level IV vests have to be able to stop and not quite in the same league as the 7.62x51mm M993, can manage it, that's just bad planning by the boys at Pentagon. If this dude was at all serious about attracting the military, he would've made the prototype look a bit more like these, although it's a much better Halloween costume as it is. |
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Jan 15 2007, 08:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 1-June 06 From: Nova Scotia, Canada Member No.: 8,631 |
The thing with his prototype is it is more about the functionality that he has packed in there than the asthetics of it. The next few designs, assuming this gets picked up would be more streamlined, sure. That's because mostly of budget and more people working on it and so forth.
Let's look at the wearable computer industry. First off, it was like a guy walking around with a battery pack backpack, a hard drive strapped to his waist wearing a helmet and carrying a keyboard. Then we made smaller hard drives that didn't need as much power, displays that could be made into glasses, chord keyboarding, even voice commands. So, now, over let's say even the last 20 years, we've gone from needing backpacks and trenchcoats to carry a computer to at most needing a small fanny pack, a small eyedisplay and a microphone (or wireless keyboard/mouse/power glove). Pretty soon it'll look like that, after all, didn't anyone see GR:AW |
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Jan 15 2007, 09:50 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
CryePrecion is a real world company - look at AU's Picture. |
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Jan 15 2007, 01:07 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
http://www.aspensystems.com/pmicroclimate-systems.html Man-scale portable air conditioning units do exist, and that Aspen Systems has produced a lunchbox-sized, hand-carried unit for the Eurofighter pilot suit (for use prior to plugging into cockpit cooling systems.) The bulk of the unit is the batteries - the current cooling systems are a small portion of the boxes you can see in the link above. However, the power draw of ~100 watts (to generate the cited 300W of cooling) is a bit beyond solar panels you'd want to stick on a person - you'd need a good share of the body covered in high-efficiency solar arrays to continuously generate 100W. In Shadowrun, you're better off with batteries or fuel cells. A setting with man-portable laser weapons has some damned good batteries, and by 2070 fuel cells should be able to deliver 100W in a pretty compact form. |
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Jan 15 2007, 01:17 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
At (this) $2k, (doesn't) anyone (belong) else (in) thinking (the) of (SR4) getting (forum) one (!) for (grrrr...) themselves? Could be fun!
(Living in the Socialist Republic of Maryland, where our God given right to defend ourselves with firearms is denied, but criminals do it anyway, darn those criminals, and one of the highest murder rates in the country, I think it'd make quite a statement riding to work on the metro, don't you?) |
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Jan 15 2007, 01:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
Criminals buy their guns in other states. ;)
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Jan 15 2007, 03:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 |
They'd probably just make a law making wearing armor illegal because it made you too hard for the criminals to rob. |
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Jan 15 2007, 05:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 |
I was referring to an HEDP round that can penetrate over 3 inches of steel. That, combined with the concussio of the blast would be rough. Those rounds do require a fairly solid surface to cause it to explode. So, it is possible that shooting a "naked" person with a 40mm grenade that it might not explode, not on impact but later when the self-destruct fuse detonates. There are other types of anti-armor warheads, like HESH (High Explosive Squash Head) which would be dangerous too. The big problem here is that the grenade has a 15 yard or so safety before it even arms. The grenade is also slow with a high tradgectory. Combined that would make for a hard shot on a man sized target. |
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Jan 15 2007, 07:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The impact fuzes of 40mm LV grenades should definitely be set off when they hit the chest of a human being. Otherwise they'd be utterly useless in a sandy environment or on softer turf, and would have a massive failure rate for long range fire.
The current US 40mm M433 HEDP fired from an M203 arms usually arms somewhere between 14 and 27 meters, the shaped charge nominally penetrates 50mm+ of armor steel (5 or more of the above suits front and back, if the jet didn't spread). There is no self destruct mechanism. It is certainly not designed for hitting people directly with, though at closer ranges it can be done. |
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