 What's up with North America?, There's got to be some big changes. |
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Helsinki Member No.: 7,552  |
Like, what about the Manitou in AMC?
And what's up with Quebec now that CatCo is gone? And was there any bloodshed when Ute joined Pueblo? Where did the Princes go in the Tir, because IIRC the Royal Hill got trashed? Where's Daviar? |
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Jan 16 2007, 06:00 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 |
They're still there, doing, you know ... Manitou stuff.
Catco's a far cry from gone, it just isn't a Triple-A anymore, dropping back to Double-A status and having Ares chew on it s'more. Basicly, it still operates outside of Quebec, but, by and large, it slithered back behind the trade barriers and said "I'm not coming out until you play nice!"
Not really, as it was a sort of humanitarian gesture. The UTE was starving and broke, with nothing going for it, while teh PCC was expanding, dripping with cash, and had just aquired a bunch of land *anyway*, so might as well get an entire meal at once. Probably a few grumbles, here and there, but, overall, it was a popular move.
Depends on which. Some fled, some went underground, some are still there and active in politics, some helped teh rebellion and got status, and so on. We'll eventually get full details about this when a new Tir update rolls out. When they're ready for submissions, I plan to be all over this one. :)
Probably in a tub, washing her LBNs. :) (This last one, tho, is seriously a fantastic question. She's the Last Dunklezhan Player and everyone's curious about where she'll wind up. Me? I'd lay odds on her turning up in Ghostwalker's camp at some stage. |
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Jan 16 2007, 06:31 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...you are not the only one, Considering I currently live in the RL version of the Tir, and had actually written up Portland before the TT sourcebook was originally released, I feel I have a vested interest in this. I had run a very detailed campaign years ago involving the TT, and TT canon plays a major part of the novelisation exercise Making of a Runner - Kyoto Kid that I wrote last year (this was the result of a thread on "what would make someone become a shadowrunner"). |
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Jan 16 2007, 08:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
LOL I heard that outside of Seattle the northwest is pretty lame. I mean that with no offense there is just not a whole lot going on (I heard this from someone who is from Seattle).
With that said how do you plan to add some excitement to the wilderness? |
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Jan 16 2007, 09:05 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
..ahem...
Portland is not the wilderness, thank you very much. Considering the city is no doubt going through a major power transition after the Council of Wimps packed it in, it could actually become a pretty good location setting. ...particularly with the secessionist rumblings up north in the Metroplex. |
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Jan 17 2007, 12:00 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 |
Still waiting for that email, by the by. :) As for me, I'm pretty dang far from teh RL location, but, I've an interest in politics (Heck, just ran for office, in point of fact) and have a horrible addiction to sociology, so, I wanna see how it all plays out. |
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Jan 17 2007, 12:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,510 |
I, for one, would feel so much safer with a Shadowrun GM in the White House. |
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Jan 17 2007, 12:07 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 |
That's for 2020. :D This year was teh State House of Representatives, my first-ever campaign. Sadly, I didn't win, BUT, made some inrods and handily won the only debate that we had. Name reognition was a bear, tho, since I was running on a campign that was, shall we say, somewhat underbudgeted. (IE, the entire thing was run for less than the cost of an Ares Predator IV). Planning ahead for the next time, tho! |
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Jan 17 2007, 12:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,510 |
Wakshaani: "Redefining Homeland Security." |
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Jan 17 2007, 02:30 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
My ass. The Ute are racist idiots, and the PCC is probably the whitest of the NANs after it annexed southern California (in addition to just acting white). Plus there's the whole "you assholes blew up one of our sacred mountains fifty years ago" thing going on.
HAHAHAHAHA
If they're smart, Fanpro will never say. They have no good reason to do so, and many reasons not to upturn that rock for years. It'd be just as stupid as the reconquest of the Tir taking less than 20-30 years. |
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Jan 17 2007, 02:31 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 |
Before I start stumping and tossing campaign platforms, let's hop back to the Tir. :)
A lil' nugget that Ihave was this: After teh revolution, one of the top leaders (Erika Telestran, for those playing at home) gave a rousing speech in front of a thron of supporters and, at the end of it, renounced her noble station; she furthermore denounced teh very notion of nobility vs equal from birth, and as a ceremonial casting off the old ways, cut back her hair from the "Tir Standard" waist-length locks to about chin length with a handy blade. By the time she popped onto teh trid the next day, this hacked hair had been transformed into a lovely chin-length bob but, more importantly, it'd become something of a fashion statement. All across the Tir, those inspired by the revolution and wanting to give a bit of a farewell salute to teh Tir of old matched her deed, hacking their hair off. Yesterday's political statement became today's fashion statement and, at least for now, short hair rules the Tir... to be seen with long hair is to harken back to the time of the High Prince and is quite gauche. (Of course, fashion being fashion, this won't last for ever, but, for teh short term, if you want to portray a rebellious Elf sort, showing solidarity by snipping their hair back is the thing to do.) |
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Jan 17 2007, 02:36 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Meanwhile eleven Paladins slipped into the shadows to plot a masterpiece of fascist vigilantism like Bruce Wayne at the end of the Dark Knight Returns.
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Jan 17 2007, 03:37 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Actually thats anarchist rebellion at the end of the dark knight returns, but, you know, whatever. Superman always represented the fascism.
I love that bit about the hairstyles. Love it. |
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Jan 17 2007, 10:54 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Helsinki Member No.: 7,552 |
Yeah, well, they were almost at a full civil war when SoNA came out, with the azzies playing a big part in it all. So I was just wondering what happened with the whole situation. But Manitou stuff is a good enough answer ;) |
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Jan 17 2007, 02:07 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I don't know the answer for sure, but I agree with SL James that I don't see it being a very peachy unification. The Ute and Pueblo share some cultural background, but politically they were very different nations. While Ute did have severe economic problems, the jury is still out on whether joining the PCC solved them. Worse yet, the political problems are not going to magically go away; Ute's radical political parties (of which there are many) are going to have a whole host of issues with PCC's political structure. |
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Jan 18 2007, 02:37 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Dude... Batman is THE arch-fascist of DC superheroes.
That's because I didn't base my understanding of the area on what I learned watching a crappy '70s horror movie at 3 AM. Blowing up Redondo Peak would piss the Pueblos off for so many reasons, aside from the above, also being that it is almost center to where most of the 19 Pueblos are located. There are a lot of reasons for both sides to be really pissed off at this annexation. Share dilution. Vast cultural and governance differences. Ethnic and tribal racism. Oh, yeah... It's a mess and a half. |
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Jan 18 2007, 01:51 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
It makes for an interesting stew. Take all of Ute's looney fringe political groups, who came to existence primarily becuase of Ute's extreme form of direct democracy and toss them into a corporate governance structure based on shareholders. Add to that the fact that a number of Ute's looney fringe political groups were being backed by Aztlan and yeah...fun times!
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Jan 18 2007, 08:28 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Will they ever stop kicking California in the balls?
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Jan 18 2007, 08:36 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
*shakes Magic 8-Ball* Not Likely! |
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Jan 18 2007, 08:59 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
So why/how did it happen in the first place? And would the PPC really have the military strength to take over both the Utes, and SoCal? Seems they'd be stretched pretty thin. |
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Jan 18 2007, 10:13 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Um seeing as "SoCal" has more people than the rest of their land..I would say that this would only happen by "SoCal" willing and peacefully merging, and in doing so causing the centers of power to completely change. That being said the people who make shadowrun have shown they know more about programing A.I.s then about California.
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Jan 18 2007, 10:17 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
sorry for the abbrv, tired of "typing" ;)
I couldn't really see a logical reason why they'd be able to take it over, so I'm wondering what could have prompted the people of "Souther California" to let them selves be annexed. Perhaps if they were hurting that badly for aid that the "California" goverment couldn't provide? |
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Jan 19 2007, 01:09 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
A) Because geopolitics is one of SR's biggest weaknesses. B) Because it is land that used to be part of Spain and later Mexico. C) Because it now borders Tir Tairngire. As for how they did it, well... They did it on the cheap (not a radical guess, since lately SR has a horrible habit of ripping off RL stuff like a crappy (and that is saying something) version of Law & Order and making it even dumber), or given that PCC has one of the largest economies in the world... They hired a shitload of mercenaries.
To be fair, Dave Hyatt knows a thing or two about computers. However, you're right... Not everyone else did. *cough*Kenson*cough* |
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Jan 19 2007, 01:15 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
So James, what would you say would have had to happen in order to make it feasible?
And what does the Tir have to do with it? |
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Jan 19 2007, 01:24 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Hestaby.
What would have to happen? Look, I have no problem with doing crazy shit. Nigel Findley made a cool setting out of PCC (although it carries way too much of a Northern NM/Southern CO vibe and forgets about Phoenix most of the time). But he made a lot of cool settings, all of which are cool in part because unlike Seattle, if you screw up, Large Men With Guns will fucking KILL YOU. It's the half-assed attempts at trying to be "realistic" and failing miserably that pisses me off. I like the idea of PCC annexing Ute, not least of all because the folks in Santa Fe now have control of most of L.A.'s water supply, barring smugglers and irradiated waste (pure H2O) from fusion plants along the coast. But I digress. What was the question again? |
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