 FanPro 2006 Year In Review |
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 Jan 25 2007, 07:44 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534  |
W0rd. Not releasing Unwired first was in my opinion a big mistake. SR4 culture is extremely influenced by the advent of AR, information technology and data availability that Unwired should get first priority. Just think what the cell-phone did to society, and now imagine that you have the knowledge of the whole planet available to you in seconds (you already have today with a PDA, flatrate and wikipedia). Furthermore you have agents planning everything for you, arranging your perfect life, RFIDs everywhere, sensors everywhere building a mountain of data where you can find virtually every detail of Joe Normals life. Everybody is making his own world using AR. Learning in school has changed beyond recognition: You dont learn facts any more, you learn how to filter information to find information and to discriminate between usefull and useless informaiton. Most of the jobs out there are done by either agents or drones. An unskilled employee is eaily pimped by cheap knowsoft or a worker by skillsoft. Society has changed so much, but most people dont know about that because there is no Unwired book. |
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Jan 25 2007, 07:57 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 2-January 07 From: SOX, German Part Member No.: 10,513 |
Well, I think/hope we'll get some background information in Emergence.
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Jan 25 2007, 08:09 PM
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#78
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
To be fair though, it was the old FASA print runs (and maybe not even every one of those) that had issues with the binding being particularly fragile. Every single Fanpro book I have for SR has held together marvelously (and we beat the crap out of some of them). |
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Jan 25 2007, 08:28 PM
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#79
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
My first print of the 4th ed core book is starting to seriously take a beating. I'm way anal about my books and how they're treated, and and constantly yelling at my players to treat them better (ask SinN or OneTrikPony). In the end, it was my two year old the got the binding to start tearing lose. :S
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Jan 25 2007, 08:46 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Yeah, James is talking about Shadowland, not DSF. Further, there's no "ban" or anything on writers from Shadowland, at least as far as I'm aware. Obviously, people who despise SR4 probably won't be submitting many proposals to write for it, though. If you propose something and they like it, I imagine it will be considered, regardless of where you're "from" on the Internet. It is important, though, for them to pick writers who they know they can work with. You can be a great writer, but if you don't work well in a collaborative writing setting (of which SR definitely is), it's just not gonna work out. |
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Jan 25 2007, 08:57 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
One of my players back in HI is big on throwing and tossing books around the room rather than handing them around or, Dunk forbid, walking across the room. He does it with his books and doesn't care, but then he'd of course get one of mine and chuck it to someone and wonder why I was coming unglued. Irritated the crap out of me. :) |
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Jan 25 2007, 09:02 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Didn't some of mfb's ideas and outcome from discussions with him make it into some of your SR4 work DE? Or am I thinking of someone else's work? In some ways it is kinda too bad mfb couldn't tolerate/grok/whatever SR4's shift to the unified game mechanics because he's definately got a lot of good insight into the setting.
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Jan 25 2007, 09:08 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
God, my first thought "I would fucking kill someone!" yeah... irritated.. not the word... I might have issues.... |
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Jan 25 2007, 10:00 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
There's a lot of cross-pollination of ideas, yah. I used to game with the Shadowland crew regularly for many years and I still chat with some of them about SR. |
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Jan 25 2007, 10:22 PM
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#85
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,020 Joined: 11-March 02 From: The MSP 'Plex Member No.: 2,326 |
*GASP* You freely admit to fraternizing with us "rabble" DE? ;) Seriously though, if FanPro was foolish enough to disregard proposals from potential freelancers just on the basis of where they game, that would be an amazingly stupid move on their part. Sure a lot (not all) of SL'ers hold SR3 near and dear to their hearts and would rather piss on an SR4 book than try to play it, but it doesn't mean they can't write or don't have an amazing vision of the SR universe outside of the SR3 vs. SR4 argument. Honestly with some of the dedication to details and research and just general real-world knowledge some of these guys have that they can manage to translate into the SR Universe, I'd be surprised if based off a submission of writing alone, their talents weren't snatched up and put to the grindstone to crank out awesome sourcebooks for SR4. But now I ramble, and therefore I shall stop. :D |
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Jan 25 2007, 11:29 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 2-January 07 From: SOX, German Part Member No.: 10,513 |
Often those proposals tend to try change things where is no chance to change them. So you can see in those proposals, if someone don't like SR4. But you have to accept some circumstances, if you like them or not, especially if you want to write something for sourcebooks and not only fiction. |
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Jan 26 2007, 10:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Gun porn = good :D 8)
Ugh, don't remind me :( |
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Jan 26 2007, 01:57 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I enjoy fraternizing with rabble! |
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Jan 26 2007, 06:00 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I can't believe that had to be spelled out. What a despicable assumption that I was suggesting some sort of hostility on Fanpro's part, rather than sheer indifference of the people with whom I game to do something stupid and spend six months working on something like this. |
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Jan 26 2007, 06:13 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I am unware of any hostility. Lack of response, though, isn't uncommon, even to freelancers. It's driven me nuts more times than I want to recall.
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Jan 26 2007, 10:54 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 18-October 05 Member No.: 7,855 |
I couldn't agree more. In my mind Unwired should have been the first or second release, and when I saw that Street Magic was up first I nearly blew my top. Magic in 2070 isn't that different from magic in 2065, and the magic section of the main book was larger by far than the hacking section. I'll admit that I'm a bit biased, but if they're going to totaly reinvent the wheel and emphasis how different things are from the previous editions, they've got to back it up with something. I mean, the Crash 2.0 was THE pivitol point, the little black thing of plastic that seperates the groceries of 3rd Edition from the groceries of 4th (sorry, just got back from the store)! Yeah, I know that they want to get it right, but damn it, Unwired needed to be out first. I'm just glad that my hacker is becoming a gunslinging vigilante. There really is never enough gear... |
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Jan 27 2007, 02:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 15-January 07 Member No.: 10,652 |
Okay, pretend you haven't been playing Shadowrun for the past fifteen years. You find a book at your local shop and think to yourself: "Cool. Cyborgs and Elves! Submachineguns and spellcasting! Woot!" Because, let's face it, if you are going to buy and play Shadowrun, that is the exact thought that dances through your head the first time. Then you read it. Samurai are pretty streight forward (guns + cyber = shoot people in the face), Faces and Sneaks are pretty straight forward (skills, skills, more skills). There are two areas of true complexity in the game: magic and hacking. Of those two, magic is probably the more complex with its myraid subsystem (spellcasting, summoning, astral plane, magical threats, initiation). Yes, they're pretty easy to follow if you have experince with the game and its philosophy, but to a complete new player, hacking is much simpler to grasp, they've only got one subsystem, three if you count rigging and technomancers. Plus, magic has a "gee wow" factor that "hacking" doesn't. It's all about what will sell the best, what they get finished writting/testing first, and player demand. Remember, just because you want Hoboken in the Shadowsto see print before The Neo-Anarchist's Guide to Peoria doesn't mean that FanPro's other customers do. Plus, in SR1 (7106) The Grimoire saw print before (7107) Virtual Realities; In SR2, (7903) Grimoire Second Edition was published before (7904) Virtual Realities 2.0; and last but not least, SR3's (7907) Magic in the Shadows beat (7909) Matrix to print too. In fact, the trend seems to have been: Core Book > Chrome Book > Magic Book > Matrix Book > Rigger Book > New Edition. SR4 breaks that pattern by putting (26009) Augmentation out after (26008) Unwired, but then agian there is more chrome in the SR4 BBB than any edition I can recall, and the Samurai will get somefun out of (26007) Arsenal, I'm sure. As a wise man, okay a wise ass, once said:
FanPro, and FanPro's freelancers, enjoy little things like food, clothing, and a roof. (Freelancers, jump in if I'm wrong on that :P ) Now, they don't get any of those things unless they. sell. books. to. us. Thus, they write and sell the ones we want. In the order that we want. And by "we" and mean everyone besides, aparently, you. :spin: |
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Jan 27 2007, 03:18 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Goettingen Member No.: 1,094 |
FP freelancers need: Coke/coffee(caffeine!!!) & lots of freelancer crack... :D 8)
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Jan 27 2007, 03:19 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Augmentation will be out before Unwired. |
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Jan 27 2007, 03:23 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
And my happiness meter just dropped 2 points... :(
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Jan 27 2007, 04:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 15-January 07 Member No.: 10,652 |
Well then, I guess my list is wrong. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to wait. Or we can, whats the proper term...? Make it up ourselves! |
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Jan 27 2007, 05:03 AM
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MechRigger Delux Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Hanger 18, WPAFB Member No.: 1,657 |
Guess FanPro can be making new plans since SoCal is dead though....
http://www.gencon.com/2007/socal/press/pre...ss-release.aspx |
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Jan 27 2007, 05:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 1-December 06 Member No.: 10,116 |
I'm still unsure of the connection. What exactly does SoCal have to do with SR and SR books? |
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Jan 27 2007, 06:13 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
GenCon So Cal was one of the conventions that FanPro attended, as was talked about it in the Year End Report.
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Jan 27 2007, 06:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 1-December 06 Member No.: 10,116 |
Yeah but the impression I got was that one or two folk were saying because of SoCal not being around anymore X books wouldnt come out or some crap like that. Which.. makes no sense to me. |
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