 Object Resistance Ratings, Where to find them - (SR3) |
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  Feb 15 2007, 05:39 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 11-May 02 Member No.: 2,723  |
There is a table on p. 182 in SR3:
I'd like more detail in this table. I hate to be accused by my players that I give this ammo OR of 7 just because I don't want them to cook the Cyber Zombie (w/ auto shotgun) on their first fireball. Compounding the problem, I have a player who expects "Analyze Device" to be a useful spell. I thought the right way to attack this was to first try to understand: What was the writer's intention with the original table? 1. All natural Objects have a maximum OR of 4. Which ones should get 3, which 4? Should Orichalcum have 2 (or less) as it's supposed to be extraordinarily susceptible to magic? 2. Did the writer want to tell us anything with the distinction between objects and materials? I guess the writer thinks there are no unprocessed materials. (As soon as it's used to build anything, it is processed.) Is complex toxic waste an object? Did the writer maybe mix OR with Background Count here, which also drives TNs up? 3. Does the writer know how complex a simple plastic is, molecularly? What are your guidelines to determine Object Resistance Ratings? Does size matter? (No jokes please.) Does miniaturisation matter (CPUs)? Homogeneity? (Word?) Date of inception? Should Background count be factored in? Temperature? Microorganisms? How do you weight complexity in manufactury (# of steps, needed tools, length of tool chain, processes, difficulty) or final complexity of structure (molecular or other)? What are Object Resistance Ratings for typical objects/materials in your game? Reasons? Please feel free to rate these, but don't confine yourself. Franchi shotgun w/ normal ammo Vindicator w/ APDS Ruger Thunderbolt AVS Ford Americar Stereo Lone Star Strato-9 Glass pane Plascrete Sheet metal Reactive armor Living coral Diesel fuel Ethanol Cellphone Fairlight Excalibur Ares Dragon helo Blimp Aircraft carrier Motocross bike SOTA racing bike Bicycle T-Shirt Chemical plant (discriminate) Duct tape K-Bar knife Katana Dicoted katana FAE Thermite Diesel / fertilizer bomb C4 Uranium (natural) Uranium (depleted) Uranium (enriched) Flak vest Military grade body armor Abrams Banshee Space Shuttle Paper Credstick Lock (discriminate) Fuse box Fuze Gold Iron Aluminium Steel Damasc steel Monofilament whip Soy burger Wanda, the Stuffer Shack cashier ;-) (My players seem to think she needs one) |
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Feb 15 2007, 05:57 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I think you're making too much of the inconsistent use of "object" and "material".
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Irrelevant. Unless I'm mistaken, a number of fatty acids are more complex than simple plastics on the molecular scale, yet as wholly natural substances they'd be low on the OR scale (barring other factors, which I'll get to). Likewise, stainless steel is, unless I'm mistaken, less molecularly complex than either (of course, you need to consider multiple molecules for "stainless steel"), but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't rate a lower OR than lipids. The scale isn't based around molecular complexity, but around a touchy-feely "did cold corporate hands, or the uncaring hands of humans who do not live in shamanic harmony with nature, have a role in the construction of this object". The entire OR system is a ridiculous mess, and something that I intend to replace as soon as time and inspiration are available. ~J |
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Feb 15 2007, 06:01 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
If you can pick it up in nature, it's OR 3
If you can pick it up and nature, but someone went over it with a tool, it's OR 5 If it takes a bunch of people and machines to make it, it's OR 8 If it takes a LOT of people and machines to make it, it's OR 10. Wanda, the Stuffer Shack cashier has no OR, she has attributes such as Will to resist (even if that's 1) |
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Feb 15 2007, 06:04 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That's not true, Wanda has an OR of 3 (you can pick her up in nature). The OR is just never used until you kill her.
(Another interpretation, granted, is that she gains an OR of 3 when she dies but does not have it before that) ~J |
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Feb 15 2007, 06:12 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
I would argue Wanda's OR is closer to 4 or 5, since she is full of preservatives, has bits of cyberware, has undergone complex chemical treatments in her life (even if it's only by taking pharmaceuticals), etc. That said, if Wanda is a test-tube baby, her OR would bump up a notch or two, and if she was actually a functional clone, it would jump up another three or four points.
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Feb 15 2007, 06:12 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Granted. She's also touched tools, and probably used horrible things like mathematics.
~J |
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