Navy equivalent of a Supply Sergeant?, for a contact Options

[tisoz]

What is the Navy equivalent of a Supply Sergeant? I want to use one as a contact. If it matters if ashore or at sea, then ashore.

[Sir_Psycho]

Could it be quartermaster?

[Ancient History]

Purser handles monies and the like in UCAS and CAS navies, and would be either a petty officer or warrant officer position. General goods and equipment would fall under Supply as normal.

[Fix-it]

[mfb]

not sure about what section they'd be in (or what the Navy calls sections), but his rank would be Petty Officer 2nd class (E-5), Petty Officer 1st Class (E-6), or Chief Petty Officer (E-7). i suppose you might get one that's a Senior Chief Petty Officer (E-8). E-7 is the best bet for a contact.

[Ancient History]

[tisoz]

Thanks alot guys! :)

[Thain]

Possible ratings would be Postal Clerk (PC), Quartermaster (QM), Storekeeper (SK), and Yeoman (YN)... Depending on exactly what you need him to have access to. The Navy has a heckuvalot more ratings than the Coast Guard (probably so they canmake themselves look more impressive and get more money from Congress). But these should do... dependingon what you need.

A Yeoman, for example, performs secretarial and clerical work. Which can be pretty darned important actually. Can you imagine the milage you could get out of a high Loyalty-rating Contact that works as an Admiral's secretary?

Postal Clerks, naturally, handle the postal (mail) service for the whole dang military branch (Navy or Coastie). They are even more overworked and underappreiccated than civilian postal employees, and are fully trainned to use assault rifles. Do not piss them off. If these guys can get your mother's blueberry muffins mailed from Iowa to Iraq, and back, do you really think they can't dispose of your body? Hmmm?

For access to supplies, the "go to" rating is not going to be a Quartermaster! Quartermasters assist the navigator and officer of the deck (OOD), to steer the ship, take radar bearings, and what not.

Storekeepers are the Coast Guard's (and those wimpy Navy guy's) supply clerks. They see that needed supplies are available, from uniforms to food to munitions. But bear in mind, weapons and the like are all rigidly accounted for... if you want to get bullets and firearms out of a military base, you better have a very highly placed contact!

In order to fall into the rating structure, you have to be an enlisted serviceman, officers are to busy "leading" or something :P . That means pay grades E-4 (Petty Officer Third Class) through E-9 (Master Chief Petty Officer) are going to have ratings. Although, for overseeing a small base or a single ship, your probably going to be looking at an E-7 (Chief Petty Officer). Incidentally, I beleive that the Army equivelent of an E-7 is a Sergeant First Class. To the Marines (y'know,the women's department of the Navy), an E-7 is a Gunnery Sergeant.

I have no idea how the other branches handle their MOS titles and job duties. Although, I imagine the Marines and the Army have some way todifferentiate between the Sergeant-Who-Handles-The-Mail and the Sergeant-Who-Handles-The-Motor-Pool.

Each rating has its official abbreviation, which I hinted at above, plus its official rank. So, if Thad Allen was a Chief Petty Officer and a Storekeeper, he'd be called "Chief Storekeeper Allen" (verbally) or "SKC Allen" (in writing). Although it would be perfectly fine to call him "Chief" in an informal context.

(FYI, Thad Allen is actually not a SKC... he's an Admiral, and the current Commandant of the Coast Guard. Here's hoping he doesn't read DSF....)

Semper Paratus!

[tisoz]

[Kyoto Kid]

...Procurement Officer.

This was Night Angel's fixer.

[Zolhex]

Here is a list of ranks and what not maybe it'll help.

U.S. Army
Pay Grade Title
E-1 Private
E-2 Private 2
E-3 Private First Class
E-4 Specialist
Corporal
E-5 Sergeant
E-6 Staff Sergeant
E-7 Sergeant First Class
E-8 Master Sergeant
First Sergeant
E-9 Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major
E-9 Sergeant Major of the Army
special
W-1 Warrant Officer One
W-2 Chief Warrant Officer Two
W-3 Chief Warrant Officer Three
W-4 Chief Warrant Officer Four
W-5 Master Warrant Officer Five
O-1 Second Lieutenant
O-2 First Lieutenant
O-3 Captain
O-4 Major
O-5 Lieutenant Colonel
O-6 Colonel
O-7 Brigadier General
O-8 Major General
O-9 Lieutenant General
O-10 General

U.S. Air Force
Pay Grade Title
E-1 Airman Basic
E-2 Airman
E-3 Airman First Class
E-4 Senior Airman or Sergeant
E-5 Staff Sergeant
E-6 Technical Sergeant
E-7 Master Sergeant
E-8 Senior Master Sergeant
First Sergeant
E-9 Chief Master Sergeant
First Sergeant
E-9 Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force
special
O-1 Second Lieutenant
O-2 First Lieutenant
O-3 Captain
O-4 Major
O-5 Lieutenant Colonel
O-6 Colonel
O-7 Brigadier General
O-8 Major General
O-9 Lieutenant General
O-10 General

U.S. Navy
Pay Grade Title
E-1 Seaman Recruit
E-2 Seman Apprentice
E-3 Seaman
E-4 Petty Officer 3rd Class
E-5 Petty Officer 2nd Class
E-6 Petty Officer 1st Class
E-7 Chief Petty Officer
E-8 Senior Chief Petty Officer
E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer
E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
special
W-2 Chief Warrant Officer
W-3 Chief Warrant Officer
W-4 Chief Warrant Officer
O-1 Ensign
O-2 Lieutenant, Junior Grade
O-3 Lieutenant
O-4 Lieutenant Commander
O-5 Commander
O-6 Captain
O-7 Rear Admiral, Lower Half (sometimes Commodore)
O-8 Rear Admiral, Upper Half
O-9 Vice Admiral
O-10 Admiral

U.S. Marines
Pay Grade Title
E-1 Private
E-2 Private First Class
E-3 Lance Corporal
E-4 Corporal
E-5 Sergeant
E-6 Staff Sergeant
E-7 Gunnery Sergeant
E-8 Master Sergeant
First Sergeant
E-9 Master Gunnery Sergeant
Sergeant Major
E-9 Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps
special
W-1 Warrant Officer One
W-2 Warrant Officer Two
W-3 Warrant Officer Three
W-4 Warrant Officer Four
W-5 Warrant Officer Five
O-1 Second Lieutenant
O-2 First Lieutenant
O-3 Captain
O-4 Major
O-5 Lieutenant Colonel
O-6 Colonel
O-7 Brigadier General
O-8 Major General
O-9 Lieutenant General
O-10 General

[Thain]

The rank list is useful, but in the Navy you also need to know the rating for every E-4 and above. Granted, its an RPG not the final exam at NAVOCS... Just make up a name that sounds offical, and you should be good to go.

This being Shadowrun, blackmarket weapons should be obtainable from a military contact. But you should have a pretty stron loyalty rating, imho. Watch Lord of War and look how Yuri (Nic Cage) exploits his Uncle's access to a masssive post-Soviet stockpile.

[SL James]

[Ancient History]

[Kagetenshi]

With all due respect, that was an extremely weak counter.

~J

[Thain]

Settle down gents, I was just offering up the idea that overly focusing on the details of an NPC aren't too important. Plus, SR is set decades in the future with wholly different nations. The rank strucutre could have shifted, and who really cares if NPC #14 is a "Staff Sergeant" or a "Senior Sergeant".

Heck, getting ranks wrong has a grand tradition in sci-fi, from Battlestar Galactica to Star Trek to Zeta Gundam.

SL James was just, I think, poking gentle fun at this fact. This is not a military sim rpg, it doesn't matter a great deal.

[toturi]

[fistandantilus4....]

I'm pretty sure tisoz was interested in getting his question answered, and not AH's ability to verbally spar with James. At least I'm hoping...

moving on...

[Kagetenshi]

[Crakkerjakk]

@Thain

[Thain]

Kagetenshi: You are right, it is very easy to look up. In fact, I know you can find the rank and rating structure in any good encyclopedia. That said, Tisoz asked here on DSF, and we helped him out.

I added, as an aside, that it was a minor detail and no one should feel bothered by getting it a bit wrong. Life is too short to worry about the number of stripes on an NPC's sleeve, y'know?

Crakkerjakk: Ah, yeah, the Navy guys (With a handle like "crackerjack" I'm assuming Navy) love to point to the the Department of Transportation bit.

They totally ignore the fact that the "First Fleet" is a good decade older than the US Navy, and unlike the Navy the USCG has never been disbanded. (Although, we've changed names a few times.)

Okay, these have nothing to do with anything, but they make me laugh:

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U.S. COAST GUARD ENLISTMENT OATH
"I, (State your name), swear to sign away 4 years of my life to the UNITED STATES COAST GUARD because I don't want to go overseas, and would rather spend four years in the tropic paradise of Kodiak, Alaska then some primitive backwater like Tokyo. I swear to defend our position as the fifth branch of the Armed Services, although we are under the Department of Tresur... um... Transport... um... Homeland Security. I understand that atleast twice a day, someone will refer to me a member of the Air Force or Navy, and when I correct them, they will question my military status. I will work on boats the size of kayaks and small yachts during the worst of natures storms, and recieve no thanks or notice form the public. I will fly in helos into the eye of the storm to rescue people dumber then rocks, and then be heckled by the same people when I bust them for transporting drugs two months later.! I will prevent thousands of gallons of pollution, but be accused of impeding the economy when I won't allow vessels to pour oil into the ocean. I will be the red-headed step child to all of the other services, although I know I got the better deal. All of my equipment will be discarded Navy property. I will use most of my time in the Coast Guard to take college classes, and perfect my web surfing abilities, then complain that I work too much. I will perfect avoiding PT at all costs, and do my best to attend training that will give me a great competitive edge in the career field of my choice, making retention efforts of the Coast Guard pointless. I will come in contact with so many pollutants during my tenure, I will glow in the dark for the rest of my natural life and refer to myself as "salty" because of it. I will do my best to work 8 to 3, with a two hour lunch, on normal days, and have my pager and cell phone surgically attached, SO HELP ME GOD.

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US NAVY OATH OF ENLISTMENT
"I, Top Gun, in lieu of going to prison, swear to sign away 4 years of my life to the UNITED STATES NAVY, because I want to hang out with Marines without actually having to BE one of them, because I thought the Air Force was too "corporate," because I didn't want to actually live in dirt like the Army, and because I thought, "Hey, I like to swim...why not?" I promise to wear clothes that went out of style in 1976 and to have my name stenciled on the butt of every pair of pants I own. I understand that I will be mistaken for the Good Humor Man during summer,! and for Nazi Waffen SS during the winter. I will strive to use a different language than the rest of the English-speaking world, using words like "deck, bulkhead, cover, geedunk, scuttlebutt, scuttle and head," when I really mean "floor, wall, hat, candy, water fountain, hole in wall and toilet." I will take great pride in the fact that all Navy acronyms, rank, and insignia, and everything else for that matter, are completely different from the other services and make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I will muster, whatever that is, at 0700 every morning unless I am buddy-buddy with the Chief, in which case I will show up around 0930. I vow to hone my coffee cup-handling skills to the point that I can stand up in a kayak being tossed around in a typhoon, and still not spill a drop. I consent to being promoted and subsequently busted at least twice per fiscal year. I realize that, once selected for Chief, I am required to submit myself to the sick, and quite possibly illegal, whims of my newfound "colleagues." Furthermore, I swear that if the weather starts getting rough, and my over priced ship is tossed, then the Coast Guard will come and rescue me. Because they actually know how to sail, swim, navigate, and swim. So Help Me Neptune!"

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US MARINE CORPS OATH OF ENLISTMENT
"I, (pick a name the police won't recognize), swear..uhhhh....high-and-tight.... grunt... cammies....kill....fix bayonets....charge....slash....dig....burn....blowup....ugh...Air Force women....beer.....sailors wives.....air strikes....yes SIR!....whiskey....liberty call....salute....Ooorah Gunny....grenades...women....OORAH! So Help Me Chesty PULLER!"

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[Crakkerjakk]

USMC, actually, and we predate the Coast Guard by a good 15 years. We actually predate the US itself by a year.

*Edit, for harshness*

Coasties are good folks, actually. Only service besides Seabees that could keep up with us, alcohol-wise, when I was in. Plus you dislike the Navy, so thats a plus.

I love the Marine Enlistment Oath. Haven't seen it for a while.

[fistandantilus4....]

This thread isn't a for people to take shots are other services either.

[Thain]

[Crakkerjakk]

We weren't REALLY taking shots at one another. Sibling rivalry is all:-). However, colored post noted and text of said post shall be rigidly adhered to. No more oneupmanship, aye aye, fist.