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 Feb 27 2007, 06:54 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence  Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715  |
Or, if you're restricted to the core book, bone density, muscle toner, muscle augmentation. Or you could go with the cyber route, if you'd rather, and just get muscle replacement and bone lacing. But yeah, there will probably be a more "genetic" version in Augmentation, similar to what we saw in SOTA2063 (was it '63, or '64? 63, right?) |
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Mar 1 2007, 02:09 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
I ferget which book. I do recall that the opening section of Genetech encouraged GMs and players to think of other new Genetech, so something innocuous like a "calcium hack" (to borrow the GURPS term) sounds reasonable. |
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Mar 1 2007, 02:17 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Both SotA63 and SR4 already offer a bio-enhancement that improves bone stability.
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Mar 1 2007, 04:27 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...My ex cosmonaut Capt. Markova had Ceramic Bone Lacing. What really bites in SR4 is that the Cyber version of BL now has an "F" legality while the Bio version is only "R". I switched the ratings around since Bone Density is much more stealthy. |
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Mar 1 2007, 04:31 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Not really. While a treatment against osteoporosis is quite plausibly legitimate for Joe Average, armor-plating your bones isn't. ;) |
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Mar 1 2007, 09:01 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
QFT R legality is for things that not everyone should have, but that some people have a legitimate need for. F is for things that no one short of paramilitary has a reason to have, ever. The lowest grade of bone lacing should also realistically be only a R legality (I'm taking KK's word on all the legalities, not looking at a book), since that's also probably a useful treatment for similar disorders and/or injuries, whereas no one short of the military can come up with a good reason why they NEED titanium bones. It's not about stealth or shadowrunner usefulness, it's about whether or not it has legitimate applications. |
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Mar 1 2007, 09:26 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
Various sports spring to mind... rugby, boxing, mad skateboarders and motorcyclists. Also people involved in a few dangerous occupations, perhaps firemen, the police or private security services. And remember, in Shadowrun, there are a lot of private security services. I'm sure other people can come up with legitimate reasons for having them. |
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Mar 1 2007, 09:31 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I think you and I are using very different definitions of the word "need" I don't disagree that all of those people would desire and have a legitimate use for bone lacing. But do they absolutely require the absolute best bone lacing possible? |
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Mar 2 2007, 01:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,416 |
Another game system had a variant where you could just get our knuckle plated with titanium or ceramics. The idea was to allow the person to hit harder. I could see that if you also included toughening the skin over the knuckles and deadened the nerves a little.
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Mar 2 2007, 09:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 24-January 07 Member No.: 10,756 |
mmm.... seems like it could be a good way to damage whatever joint comes after the part thats plated. Or just use brass knuckles.
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Mar 5 2007, 05:19 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
BTW - SR already is quite lax considering 'legitimate need' Apparently, there's a legitimate need for silenced automated handguns... ..to, uh, shoot the big rat's in the basement... without the neighbors noticing. Yeah. |
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Mar 5 2007, 05:24 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: 27-December 06 From: Manchester, UK Member No.: 10,470 |
The alternative view to that one is that things have become so screwed up that silenced automatic handguns just aren't viewed as a huge priority. I mean, given the choice between pulling over the (numerous) suspicious types on the street to check for weaponry or stopping the psychotic mage from levelling a nearby building, which would you devote more time to? |
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Mar 5 2007, 05:45 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
In that case, bone lacing wouldn't be an issue, either.
So it's pretty much the power of lobbying. |
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Mar 5 2007, 05:53 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Hmmm, true. With extraterritoriality it's tough to make cyberware forbidden.
If the UCAS wants to make it illegal to implant a certain type of cyber that's fine, but if someone already has it it's tough to say "You can't enter this country for any reason, ever!". It's not as if they can check it at the door with their guns. Requiring certain dangerous cyber to be registered and a permit obtained (R rating, as opposed to F) would make a lot more sense for just about all cyber. |
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Mar 6 2007, 01:53 AM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Well, thats why I personally tend to be rather lax with the various F Grade implants. In my games what happens is that you can get a fake permit, but it gets checked at least twice, and in most places you have to submit to having a tag implanted at the check point and are subjected to a much greater chance of 'random' security checks while in the country as well. (Of course most Runners pop out the offical tag and replace it with one that they can turn on/off as soon as possible, but getting caught doing so is a very, very bad idea.)
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Mar 6 2007, 02:26 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...Urban Brawl ...Docwagon HRT personnel In my setting I have dropped the rating for Bone Lacing to "R" Based on the rationale that Bone Density (which is harder to detect) also has a legality of "R". I kind of miss the old Shadowrun legality ratings which were more flexible and often varied based on gear/implant rating. Now it's pretty much all or nothing. |
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Mar 6 2007, 05:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 811 Joined: 30-January 07 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 10,845 |
Amen Sister, let us return to the land of milk and honey that is SR3. But seriously, back to the meteors (remember that thread?) Does anyone here actually run a space campaign? I think it is a cool idea, but much like all those other quasi-runner campaigns, the focus has to be all on that one subject. I have never even seen a delta clinic, much less a cybermantic ritual, both of which have been around for at least 20 years. Sure Evo has people on Mars, but are you ever going to be one of them? Maybe in 50 years (sorry orks :P), but with the complete reliance on life support systems, you have to be in the top .0000000001% of all criminals in the galaxy to get in, get out and live to tell about it. |
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