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Thane36425

Mar 2 2007, 01:12 AM

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On the first bit, your thinking of the AN-94 Akban, which is a fascinating weapon. More info here: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm

On the second bit, it really depends on whether you are using oversized shot. Im doing some digging on these loads (last time I can confirm they were used in combat was Viet Nam) and should have an answer about that soon.

That's the one. I'd be interested to see what you find on the canister rounds.

Austere Emancipa... Austere Emancipator View Member Profile	Mar 2 2007, 01:29 AM Post #27
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222	Last time the M576 40mm buckshot round was discussed on these forums, I believe we concluded it was 27 00-buck -- so not oversized shot, but more than you'll get in nearly any normal shotgun loading -- but at a seriously low velocity. It definitely wouldn't deserve a higher damage code than the most powerful shotguns. Basically just make it do the same as the average shotgun. Flechette APERS would be different, but I'm not sure if those have ever found their way into military use with personal grenade launchers. They do exist for the Mk 19 AGL.

HullBreach View Member Profile	Mar 2 2007, 01:31 AM Post #28
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: 9-August 06 From: Holiday Florida Member No.: 9,055	Got the data, I'll start a new thread for it.

Austere Emancipa... Austere Emancipator View Member Profile	Mar 2 2007, 01:33 AM Post #29
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222	I'd suggest checking this out first.

HullBreach

Mar 2 2007, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)

I'd suggest checking this out first.

Great design, but Im shooting for somthing that a gun-bunny can load in his Assualt Rifles underslung GL for situations where grenades would be inapropriate (i.e. CQB)

Austere Emancipa... Austere Emancipator View Member Profile	Mar 2 2007, 02:02 AM Post #31
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222	Towards the end of the thread it goes through exactly what you can expect from an M576.

HullBreach View Member Profile	Mar 2 2007, 02:16 AM Post #32
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: 9-August 06 From: Holiday Florida Member No.: 9,055	OOps! Didn't read the whole thing (damn ADD) making another pass on it.

Jaid

Mar 2 2007, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Mar 1 2007, 08:33 PM)

I'd suggest checking this out first.

Great design, but Im shooting for somthing that a gun-bunny can load in his Assualt Rifles underslung GL for situations where grenades would be inapropriate (i.e. CQB)

so buy him a gas mask and some inhalation vector gas grenades. or smoke grenades, with appropriate vision enchancement.

HullBreach

Mar 2 2007, 02:22 AM

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so buy him a gas mask and some inhalation vector gas grenades. or smoke grenades, with appropriate vision enchancement.

Another good Idea, they make special shotgun shells that blow out a cone of OC powder (tear gas). Imagine a 40mm version!

Magus

Mar 2 2007, 05:44 AM

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QUOTE (Thanee @ Mar 1 2007, 01:18 PM)

It makes sense, if you trained with a weapon with an integral grenade launcher, that you picked up some knowledge in Heavy Weapons (Grenade Launcher), actually, not the other way around. So the player should put some BP there to reflect this training... ;)

Yeah and no. I sorta agree here, and heres why:

Using real life as an example (i know this is never a good idea) the closest thing we have to the Alpha is the M-16a4 with M-203 as used by the USMC.

The M-16 portion of the weapon is fairly intuitive for use, and as such has been made into a very popular civilian version called the AR-15. Your local rifle range is likely full of AR-15 variations most saturdays (unless you live in the peoples republic of California, Illinois, or other states that fail to understand the phrase 'shall not be infringed').

These are easy to shoot rifles that are very approachable for a beginner, but still offer much in the way of potential to a master marksman. Also, most police agencies provide at least familiarization training on similar weapons. The point here is that it's not at all surprising to run accross someone who knows how to use one of these. Hell, my Mom can outshoot the local cops!

Now the M-203 on the other hand is an obscure beast. The only branch in the US military that I know for sure trains EVERYONE on how to use these is the Marine Corps. The Army might as well, but Im not 100% on that.

Even in the Marines, trigger time on the M-203 was rare. The ammo is expensive, and we usually trained using chalk rounds (burst into a big orange poof on impact). Actual training with the HEDP's we use in the field was even rarer.

When a player in my campaigns wants to take Heavy Weapons as a starting skill, I expect them to have a history that backs this up.

Just my 2 cents.

I was in the Army with the 82nd Airborne Infantry (A Co. 4/325th A.I.R.) and all of us in the infantry had 100% knowledge of how to use all of the Infantry weapons we had in stock. From the 9mm Barettas, Shotguns to the M-60. We got a lot of range time with the m-203. My personal favorite small arms weapon system.

Thanee

Mar 2 2007, 06:00 AM

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Where do you live?

Germany. ;)

Bye
Thanee

Crakkerjakk View Member Profile	Mar 2 2007, 08:33 AM Post #37
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 24-January 07 Member No.: 10,756	Magus, you airborne fellas train on AT-4s? Or is that only us Jarheads?

Magus

Mar 2 2007, 08:49 AM

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Magus, you airborne fellas train on AT-4s? Or is that only us Jarheads?

Big Boom stick with itty-bitty control rods to take it off safe, and then it depressurizes your ears. Damn I loved firing those things on a live fire. Although my Dragon was more fun.

Crakkerjakk View Member Profile	Mar 2 2007, 08:58 AM Post #39
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 24-January 07 Member No.: 10,756	Never got to fire a real one grumble too expensive to use live rounds for non grunts. Stupid bean counters. They did let me play with a LOT of nades tho. Man those things are hard to throw. Heavy as hell. I wish they would actually increase the size of the shell to a baseball, just so I could get a better grip on the damn thing. Then again, they probably want them to fit entirely in your hand so there's no unfortunate accidents with spoons flying prematurely.

HullBreach View Member Profile	Mar 2 2007, 12:08 PM Post #40
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: 9-August 06 From: Holiday Florida Member No.: 9,055	My Gunner (warrant officer) was huge on us practicing with weighted practice grenade shells. Whenever we had to provide a body for some kind of undesireable duty or working party, who went was decided by all of us junior enlisted playing what was essentially a modified game of horseshoes using a tire-swing hung from a pull-up bar. You got three tosses. If you hit the tire, that was 1 point, if you put it through the tire that wa 3 points, and if you managed to stick it inside the tire, that was 5 points. Whoever the low-scoreres were had to go on the work detail. Other units saw us playing this, and thought we were nuts.

Crakkerjakk View Member Profile	Mar 2 2007, 05:29 PM Post #41
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 24-January 07 Member No.: 10,756	Was playing opfor for the32nd(i think) MEU in oki, and we come across these two grunts. Big corn-fed farmboy and this little wiry guy. They got a crapton of practice frag fuses and a practice shell. The little guy is chucking a practice frag out into this field, and then the big guy is running after it, in a flak and kevlar, and throwing himself on top of it beofre it goes off. Then he scoops up the shell and comes running back to the wiry guy. We're like, "What the hell are you doing?" and the wiry guy is like, "Practicing for his medal of honor." Fucking grunts.

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