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 Hacking a Technomancer, is it doable? |
 Mar 7 2007, 04:00 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749  |
The node does have a practical use though, it's a well protected center hub that the technomancer can link all of their wireless eq to and easily defend should the situation come to it.
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Mar 8 2007, 11:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984 |
It's also a great place to compile a sprite, after all, if you fall unconcious, the node will crash, and the sprite will be gone, unable to cause havoc. =P
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Mar 8 2007, 11:58 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
It takes ages for a TM to reboot, so it's not that useless. |
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Mar 8 2007, 12:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
BRILLIANT! |
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Mar 9 2007, 06:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 06 From: San Francisco Member No.: 8,275 |
I wanted to through in a few cents here because I love to argue about TMs. Seems like everyone agrees that you can't hack a TM traditionally in order to load agents on their brain and steal paydata via Exploit. But you can hack the PAN with Spoof. If you spoof the commcode of one of the TM's subscribed devices, then you're subscribed to the TM's Living Persona node, and you can access the TM's PAN, including external storage devices. Of course, you would need to exploit your way into the other devices in the PAN. This actually brings up another question that I've been pondering. Imagine one were to access a TM's PAN via Spoofing his smartlink's commcode. So any insidious commands coming from your commlink would look like packets from his gun to the TM. You would have signal access to all of the devices subscribed to the TM's Living Persona. If you then began hacking an external memory module, would the TM know? Would he notice that his gun is trying to exploit its way into his datachip? The commands are passing through his brain, after all. |
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Mar 9 2007, 06:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 693 Joined: 26-March 03 Member No.: 4,335 |
The way I see it:
A TM is a wireless comlink with matrix attributes, that has no local file storage. This means that you can hack them, and possibly take them over if you can give yourself admin priviledges fast enough. You can't load files onto the node, but you can run any program from your own comlink like normal. So, what can we do there? 1) Create an account? 2) Crash the node? 3) Control slave devices (cyber/sprites - its not spoofing if you are inside - its a command slave action - the sprite got its commands through normal channels)? 4) Alter the subscription list? 5) Send a comcall? 6) Add your own options? Are any of the above answers different if the intruder is also a TM? Does the lack of local storage mean anything with the proliferation of storage off-node? Even standard hackers are not considered limited by available local storage - Download as much as you like! As far as I can tell, the limitation on local storage means only one thing: the TM or others cannot run ordinary programs or agents on his node. Is there any reason a sprite could not use suppression while hacking a TM? Blog and I are in the same game - This question came up last week and there were "Hrmm?"s all around. |
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Mar 9 2007, 06:59 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
I dont want to punch too many wholes in your last idea, because it was creative, but it wont work unless your hacker first gets within the 3m range of the TM and manages to stay within those 3m to perform a full Scan test to find the hidden items.
Then the hacker has a chance to get into the TM's network by spoofing his commcode to the same as, in your example, the TM's Smartlink. A problem with trying to spoof a smartlink or anything else though is the fact that most PAN's are set up in a Star Topography configuration with the Commlink, TM's Brain in this case, as the central hub that everything else is slaved to. A TM or Hacker should easily notice that their Smartlink, which only gives targeting data information to the goggles through the Commlink, is now requesting a datasearch of your PAN. You get where I'm going with this right? The TM/Hacker would turn off his Smartlink and see that it is still requesting the info. From there, it's a counter hack situation that the TM has the upper hand with since he knows you are spoofing his Smartlink's commcode and just uses that to hack your commlink. |
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Mar 9 2007, 07:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 06 From: San Francisco Member No.: 8,275 |
This is the aspect that I think requires interpretation or even house-ruling. The rules are silent on how exactly the data is moving through the TM's head. If the TM is subscribed to a drone or two, his vehicle, the three commlinks of his buddies, his smartlink, and maybe another few devices, there would be a lot of traffic going through his head. Would he be paying attention to each bit of data that moves through? That also makes me wonder if "house keeping" network activities like relaying positioning telemetry is a conscious act by a TM or something that runs on its own unconsciously. EDIT: Would there be a roll necessary to notice that a device is acting strangely, as if it had been compromised? |
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Mar 9 2007, 07:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 06 From: San Francisco Member No.: 8,275 |
I don't think that you can get admin privileges for someone's brain. Even though TMs function like computers, they aren't machines. If you spoof a command to tell a drone to attack it's master, it will. If you spoof a command to a TM telling him to do the same thing, he'll tell you to shove that command up your keister.
These are different if the target is a TM because they require the use of programs that only work on software. You can't create an account because there's no list of accounts to Edit. You can't alter the subscription list for the same reason. It's still a toss-up as to whether or not you can communicate with slaved devices, IMHO. |
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Mar 9 2007, 07:22 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
Whether consious or unconsious, a TM gets a chance to notice via rolling of the dice at a minimum. TM's also get a bonus to perceiving in the matrix due to their constant link with it through their brain. Since the action itself could be considered 'Illegal' by the controling node, the TM's Brain, the Spoofed Smartlink might not even get a chance to perform the datasearch in the first place.
When it comes down to it, anyone can go back and forth using the Matrix rules from RAW just because there is so much grey area. I'm just telling it how I would play this matrix scenario. |
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