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Ravor

Mar 12 2007, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite)

It's an exaggeration to say that a space station, by its own nature, will go from being rated as a Mana Void to a Mana Ebb. In fact, in most cases, it won't. Space is on the deep mana void end of the scale; it takes considerable effort to get it even to a minor void or ebb status. The Eden laboratory on the Ares Daedalus station is one very rare example of this effort, and it has not yet been said where exactly Eden sits on the scale.

I agree with your point that it takes considerable effort to raise space's Mana Void into an Ebb. Where we appearently disagree is what it would take to make a space station sustainable for human life throughout the Scourge.

Although in a post Scourge setting, I can see the racial tensions between the 'pure' humans that have lived and evolved for generations aboard a ring of stations and the rest of meta-humanity, coupled with a second Goblinazation as the spacers return to Earth and experiance mana for the first time as being a neat plot-hook.

Hmm, I might just have to change my mind about Space Station Kaers, the idea has its possiblities provided people don't start expecting me to believe that they can even begin to tip the odds in meta-humanity's favor against the Horrors.

QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)

The likelihood that the lifeform it belonged to developed on mars the same way as on earth and is the only remnant of an ecosystem is... nil.

Of course, we don't actually know whether the skeleton was the "only remnant" ever found, just that it was the "only remnant" ever found by that probe.

Think about this way, how many fossils would an alien probe be likely to find if they landed a probe on the surface of a long dead Earth in what we now call Death Valley?

Rotbart van Dain... Rotbart van Dainig View Member Profile	Mar 13 2007, 12:02 AM Post #52
Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951	If earth would have has about as much atmosphere and tectonic activity as mars... quite some. It's a reservation.

Ravor View Member Profile	Mar 13 2007, 12:14 AM Post #53
Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361	Hmm, valid point, although I was assuming that in the past as a live planet Mars also had an atmo, plate movements, ect...

bibliophile20

Mar 13 2007, 01:20 AM

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Hmm, valid point, although I was assuming that in the past as a live planet Mars also had an atmo, plate movements, ect...

it had an atmosphere, but not plate techtonics--that's why Mt. Olympus is as big as it is (because the crust didn't move over the hot spot), and why the Valles Marinaris exists--as the crust shrunk over the still warm interior, the crust literally cracked.

NightmareX

Mar 16 2007, 08:33 AM

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I'm imagining a setting a few thousand years in Shadowrun's future; the horrors came back, but much of humanity fled to mars, terraforming it to something hospitable. the horrors kept coming, but they were more managable, having been weakened by the long trip through space.

Now, the horrors have stopped coming, and mankind is sending their first expeditions back to their former homeland...

Oh, you mean Battletech? ;)

Ravor View Member Profile	Mar 16 2007, 02:42 PM Post #56
Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361	For someone who's only real explosure to Battletech was the Mechwarrior computer game, are there any actual tie-ins to Shadowrun/Earthdawn in the rpg?

Unarmed

Mar 16 2007, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE (Ravor @ Mar 16 2007, 09:42 AM)

For someone who's only real explosure to Battletech was the Mechwarrior computer game, are there any actual tie-ins to Shadowrun/Earthdawn in the rpg?

Aside from easter eggs, I'm pretty sure there are absolutely no tie-ins to SR/ED in Battletech.

Crakkerjakk View Member Profile	Mar 16 2007, 05:36 PM Post #58
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 24-January 07 Member No.: 10,756	@ Bibliophile We think Mars had Plate tectonics once. Once the core cooled and solidified, they stopped tho. The reason Olympus Mons is possible is that the core is solid. A molten core would have allowed the mountain to collapse into the mantle(area under the crust). At least, thats what I thought.

bibliophile20

Mar 16 2007, 06:18 PM

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@ Bibliophile

We think Mars had Plate tectonics once. Once the core cooled and solidified, they stopped tho. The reason Olympus Mons is possible is that the core is solid. A molten core would have allowed the mountain to collapse into the mantle(area under the crust). At least, thats what I thought.

Nope; the reason that Olympus Mons can exist on the crust like that is because the crust is thicker than it is on Earth (and let's not forget the lower gravity) because Mars didn't retain heat as well as the Earth did, due to it's smaller size. However, that being said, I think you are vastly underestimating how *much* heat a planet has inside it--and a thick crust like Mars' is like an insulating blanket.

And by the "core is solid" I'm assuming that you mean that the mantle is solid--planetary cores take billions of years to cool, and Mars' core is still liquid--although it is colder than Earth's by a significant margin (less radioactive isotopes keeping it warm and all that)

Besides, there's a very simple logical fallacy in your argument--if the only reason that the volcano could be supported was because the interior was solid--and therefore cooled--where did the magma to build the volcano come from? If the interior is solid, then you have no magma to build a volcano, ergo, no volcano.

Grinder

Mar 16 2007, 10:17 PM

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One particular dragon who encountered a Horror early in the 4th World mana cycle wrote the original books of Harrow at the Horror's request. He did so by cutting off his own skin and using it as parchment, using his own blood as ink, and probably using his own sinew to bind the damned things.

It was a dragon, are you sure? Can you give a page reference for that?

fistandantilus4.... fistandantilus4.0 View Member Profile	Mar 16 2007, 10:19 PM Post #61
Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928	Yeah, I'm interested too. As far as I knew there was no record of where the Books had come from or who made them. There is every possibility that I'm just missing a book though. My ED collection definetly needs some beefing up.

Grinder View Member Profile	Mar 16 2007, 10:23 PM Post #62
Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698	Heh, I'm pretty sure the I didn't miss a book ;) But I do remember that an elf wrote the whole Books of Harrow... or did he just re-discover them?

hyzmarca View Member Profile	Mar 16 2007, 10:23 PM Post #63
Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456	Excuse me, it was the Book of Scales not the Books of Harrow. The two are similar but distinct tomes of Horror Lore.

fistandantilus4....

Mar 16 2007, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE (Grinder)

Heh, I'm pretty sure the I didn't miss a book ;)
But I do remember that an elf wrote the whole Books of Harrow... or did he just re-discover them?

Rub it in. :P

Elianer Messias (an elf from Wyrm Wood, Grandfather of Thera, etc) discovered them . To my knowledge, their origins has never been discussed/released.

Grinder View Member Profile	Mar 16 2007, 10:37 PM Post #65
Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698	Well, that lets room for many interesting speculations. ;)

fistandantilus4.... fistandantilus4.0 View Member Profile	Mar 16 2007, 11:04 PM Post #66
Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928	:proof: Speculation is just that and no more. (been wanting to use that thing for ever :D )

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