XM-30 typo?, RC question Options

[mfb]

does the conceal rating not change? hell, does SR4 even still have a conceal rating?

[hobgoblin]

there is a general consealment table on page 302...

the baseline for it is a heavy pistol, grenade, taser, googles or comlink at no pool modifier. then it go either up or down in steps of 2, with a max of 6.

if one can argue that a carbine is the size of a SMG, then its a +4 rather then a +6 (assault rifle) to the dice pool of anyone looking for it.

interestingly, a sword and a katana share the same numbers :P

[pestulens]

[Moon-Hawk]

[hobgoblin]

funny thing then that the art present the gun as a bullpup (magazine in the stock), as that basically makes any kind of folding stock useless.

but as we all know, never use the art to figure out the stats...

[Moon-Hawk]

Ooh, I have a new question. If it's using the same chamber and the same ammo for all these modes (which I think is pretty much obvious at this point) then why does the ammo capacity change in sniper rifle mode?
Assault rifle and SMG have the same capacity, duh. LMG has the option to take a belt feed, but no big conflict there, either. The grenade launcher and shotgun are underbarrel accessories, so they have their own magazine. But why-oh-why does the sniper mode have a reduced ammo capacity?

[mfb]

'cos!

[Fezig]

Because, as everyone knows, its a balancing factor and ever since FPS games became popular it is expected :P

Actually, the reason I'd say is that sniper rifles have smaller clips so that its sleek to the weapon so when in a prone sniping position the magazine won't interfere with either the position or the sniper. Thats just my personal justification though.

Besides, isn't it supposed to be one shot one kill? What kind of a sniper needs a huge magazine anyway :P

[X-Kalibur]

Going by the artwork... which is obviously stupid because I don't see a point in having a bullpup sniper rifle... (and WHY does the LMG have a magazine coming out of it?) You'll notice the the sniper mode magazine is MUCH shorter than the Carbine or Assault Rifle modes.

[Clyde]

The short clips might also be made to a higher standard of quality - in repeating weapons (semi and full auto types) the magazine causes a great many of the jams that occur. A short magazine that doesn't get dinged around and is better made would enhance reliability. Mostly, though, it's gotta be one of those "because we said so" rules. In reality, it's often possible to select a lot of different magazines for the same weapon. M-16 rifles can take 5, 10, 20, 30, and even 40 and 100 (Beta C Mag) shot capacity magazines. A baby glock 26 can take a 10, 15, 17 or even bigger magazine - it just sticks out of the grip farther.

[mfb]

a bullpup sniper rifle will have a longer barrel in a more compact form, so it's not entirely dumb. as for the LMG with the clip, it's actually a pretty good idea, as long as the weapon accepts both clips and belted rounds. if your LMG accepts both, then you have to worry less about running out of ammo--and if you're issuing a multi-configuration weapon to your troops, then the ability to share ammo is something you'll want to take advantage of. if it only accepts clips, then, yeah. pretty dumb.

[X-Kalibur]

Well, the stats for the weapon indicate that it is 100 (b) which makes the artwork for it entirely stupid. Now, if it were 100 (b)© it would be a different story. I also fail to see what would stop you from using a 200 round belt feed in the LMG, but I'm no gun expert.

[Austere Emancipa...]

You're right. With any regular belt feed, as long as the operating mechanism is powerful enough to manage a longer belt -- not usually an issue with a properly designed belt pouch, or another soldier helping with the feed -- you could use belts of any length from 1 to thousands.

Bullpup sniper rifles are not uncommon, and neither are accurized marksman rifle/sniper variants of assault rifles that accept the same large magazines. I love the idea of an H&K PSG1 with a 100-round C-Mag -- the gun already weighs almost 18lbs, what's another 10.5lbs?

[X-Kalibur]

Well, at least you'd be lying prone with that extra 10.5 pounds. My SR9, while I love it to death, is just abuse on me to fire. Weighs alot AND has a good kick to it.

[mfb]

well, the thing is, if you use a 200-round belt in a weapon that's listed as using 100-round belts? you are kicking the baby jesus with hitler. you don't want to kick the baby jesus with hitler, do you?

[X-Kalibur]

I... I think I might have to sig that...

[Fezig]

Wow...how profound mfb....wow. Haha, after all my years involved in competitive speech I thought I'd heard every Hitler reference imaginable, but you've given me a new one....awesome.

[Fix-it]