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post Nov 3 2003, 05:43 PM
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Ok, after careful consideration of past character growths, and karma expenditures, mixed with the recent poll that only a rare character gets past 50 karma... I've decided that Infirm is by far the most exploitable flaw.

Unless you max an attribute at char gen past the racial modified limit, you're probably never going to raise an attribute past the modified limit. This means, you can take the 3 point infirm and not suffer at all from it (notice, this flaw caps Maximum, not Modified Racial).

I noticed this today while perusing our group's Shaman who's an Albino Gnome with Exceptional Attribute: Willpower (lotsa those in Seattle, eh?). He has 5 levels of this flaw and a Body of 6. :P Ok, so he can only ever have a Quickness over 4, but he's never going to be interested in raising it above that score anyhows.

5 point flaw as a dwarf and still gets to have a 6 in Body and Strength as a starting character. Man... why didn't I think of that?

Ok, done Ranting about the flaw, I'll just note down to take it if I ever make a new character instead of flaws that actually hinder me. :P

PS... Yes, I realize that if a flaw doesn't hinder you shouldn't get points for it.

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- Sphynx   Infirm Flaw   Nov 3 2003, 05:43 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   I agree its very open to abuse. Which is why the ...   Nov 3 2003, 05:46 PM
- - Siege   Technically, any flaw can be abused or "blunt...   Nov 3 2003, 05:47 PM
- - spotlite   I dunno, I've never really had any characters ...   Nov 3 2003, 06:01 PM
- - Elfie   I don't see anything not feasible about taking...   Nov 3 2003, 06:15 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   You might want to reread the flaw Elfie, It effe...   Nov 3 2003, 06:18 PM
- - Kagetenshi   If your runners don't make much use of bioware...   Nov 3 2003, 06:25 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   Again only if your not a Decker, Rigger or Otaku. ...   Nov 3 2003, 06:33 PM
- - Sphynx   Or if you're any magic user, especially a dwar...   Nov 3 2003, 06:44 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   Sphynx i was refering to Sensitive Neural Structur...   Nov 3 2003, 06:50 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Riggers, deckers, and Otaku have in my experience ...   Nov 3 2003, 06:51 PM
- - El_Machinae   Spotlite, that's a pretty good idea. If the c...   Nov 4 2003, 03:06 AM
- - The Jopp   One solution to the problem could be to make the f...   Nov 4 2003, 08:33 AM
- - DigitalMage   I have to say I have always read the flaw as limit...   Nov 4 2003, 11:32 AM
- - Sphynx   Oddly enough DigiMage, despite being in a 200+ kar...   Nov 4 2003, 11:52 AM
- - Lilt   By the rules; this flaw can give a no-disadvantage...   Nov 4 2003, 11:57 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (The Jopp) EDIT: Say, can Otaku with physica...   Nov 4 2003, 01:36 PM
- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (The Jopp @ Nov 4 20...   Nov 4 2003, 01:43 PM
- - Kagetenshi   They aren't dead, they're just in a coma, ...   Nov 4 2003, 01:50 PM
- - tisoz   Can a shapeshifter take this flaw for each set of ...   Nov 4 2003, 04:21 PM
- - Kurukami   QUOTE (Sphynx @ Nov 3 2003, 05:43 PM) I notic...   Nov 4 2003, 04:23 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   Actually Kurukami you round up you attributes max...   Nov 4 2003, 04:33 PM
- - Sphynx   P 245 of the BBB (SR3) Max is 11 Body/Strength fo...   Nov 4 2003, 04:33 PM
- - Kagetenshi   No, it really isn't, especially when you consi...   Nov 4 2003, 04:37 PM
- - Kurukami   For a shaman who's probably got mostly magical...   Nov 4 2003, 04:41 PM
- - Bearclaw   So many people seem to interpret statements based ...   Nov 4 2003, 05:23 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Bearclaw) The flaw is obviously affecting t...   Nov 4 2003, 05:35 PM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   QUOTE (Bearclaw) So many people seem to interpret ...   Nov 4 2003, 05:43 PM
- - Rev   I think it is just a case of 2nd edition wording g...   Nov 4 2003, 05:47 PM
- - TinkerGnome   If it's a typo, why do they go out of their wa...   Nov 4 2003, 05:49 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   Ok for those who still don't get it. QUOTE ( ...   Nov 4 2003, 05:51 PM
- - Bearclaw   QUOTE (The Frumious Bandersnatch) QUOTE (Bearclaw ...   Nov 4 2003, 06:03 PM
- - spotlite   I agree with ShockwaveIIc. Its pretty clear - it d...   Nov 4 2003, 06:09 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   Spotlite Must be something about being british   Nov 4 2003, 06:12 PM
- - Bearclaw   I actually re-read it, and it's pretty clear. ...   Nov 4 2003, 06:55 PM
- - Sphynx   More importantly, while I show an extreme (dwarf w...   Nov 4 2003, 07:15 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Then it's a game-to-game thing. We almost neve...   Nov 4 2003, 08:13 PM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   QUOTE (Bearclaw) QUOTE (The Frumious Bandersnatch ...   Nov 4 2003, 10:11 PM
- - spotlite   QUOTE (The Frumious Bandersnatch) it's no diff...   Nov 4 2003, 10:17 PM
- - Siege   To tweak this discussion: How would you modify th...   Nov 4 2003, 10:43 PM
- - spotlite   fire them when they don't meet commitments and...   Nov 4 2003, 11:01 PM
- - TinkerGnome   Day job? Leave it as-is but just impose the reali...   Nov 4 2003, 11:07 PM
- - Siege   What if it's a part-time gig or something unde...   Nov 4 2003, 11:08 PM
- - TinkerGnome   I thought of that but didn't want to bother wi...   Nov 4 2003, 11:12 PM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE (The Frumious Bandersnatch)QUOTE More import...   Nov 4 2003, 11:15 PM
- - Siege   Part time jobs runners wouldn't be caught aliv...   Nov 4 2003, 11:21 PM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   QUOTE (Sphynx @ Nov 4 2003, 05:15 PM)Vindicti...   Nov 4 2003, 11:25 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I leave Day Job as it is, but for anything more th...   Nov 4 2003, 11:38 PM
- - Siege   I'll give you that one: it would be pretty tou...   Nov 4 2003, 11:45 PM
- - Tanka   The GM is, and always will be, the final call on a...   Nov 4 2003, 11:47 PM
- - BitBasher   My rule of thumb as a GM: if a flaw isn't goin...   Nov 4 2003, 11:51 PM
- - TinkerGnome   QUOTE (The Frumious Bandersnatch @ Nov 4 2003...   Nov 4 2003, 11:52 PM
- - Bearclaw   QUOTE (The Frumious Bandersnatch) QUOTE (Bearclaw ...   Nov 5 2003, 12:06 AM
- - Tanka   Know what a fun Flaw is? Amnesia -5. The GM gets...   Nov 5 2003, 12:11 AM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   QUOTE (Bearclaw)Oh I'm sorry, I assumed that s...   Nov 5 2003, 12:14 AM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   QUOTE (tanka) Know what a fun Flaw is? Amnesia -5...   Nov 5 2003, 12:18 AM
- - Lilt   Don't forget Flashbacks too! If your GM le...   Nov 5 2003, 12:19 AM
- - TinkerGnome   QUOTE (Lilt) Don't forget Flashbacks too! ...   Nov 5 2003, 12:24 AM
- - Shockwave_IIc   TinkerGnome if thats what you do to make flaws, we...   Nov 5 2003, 12:27 AM
- - TinkerGnome   Just to clarify, that's not something I would ...   Nov 5 2003, 12:34 AM
- - BitBasher   I have had experienced players take full amnesia, ...   Nov 5 2003, 12:35 AM
- - Shockwave_IIc   QUOTE (TinkerGnome) To your horror, the ear phone ...   Nov 5 2003, 12:41 AM
- - Tanka   That's the point of Amnesia -5, to totally sur...   Nov 5 2003, 12:42 AM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   QUOTE (tanka) And newbies should learn to make the...   Nov 5 2003, 12:47 AM
- - Tanka   So you bring the new kid a few hours early to help...   Nov 5 2003, 12:54 AM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   Oy. Yes, that's exactly what they're goin...   Nov 5 2003, 12:57 AM
- - Mongoose   Unfortunatley, I don't know how to tapdance......   Nov 5 2003, 05:47 AM
- - Dim Sum   QUOTE (Mongoose) Unfortunatley, I don't know h...   Nov 5 2003, 06:25 AM
- - Dim Sum   Amnesia is a wonderful thing but can only be used ...   Nov 5 2003, 06:41 AM
- - The Jopp   Dont remind me about the Amnesia -2 flaw. My poor ...   Nov 5 2003, 08:21 AM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE (The Frumious Bandersnatch) QUOTE (Sphynx ...   Nov 5 2003, 08:23 AM
- - spotlite   Fruminous, I'm not sure what you're gettin...   Nov 5 2003, 08:52 AM
- - TinkerGnome   QUOTE (spotlite) Fruminous, I'm not sure what ...   Nov 5 2003, 02:07 PM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   QUOTE (spotlite @ Nov 5 2003, 02:52 AM) Frumi...   Nov 5 2003, 02:09 PM
- - TinkerGnome   QUOTE (The Frumious Bandersnatch) Damn gnomes. ...   Nov 5 2003, 02:32 PM
- - spotlite   D'OH! sorry, having a very off day yesterd...   Nov 5 2003, 04:17 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Sphynx: you're suffering from a bout of 3-poin...   Nov 5 2003, 06:07 PM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Sphynx @ Nov 5 2003, 03:23 AM) Persona...   Nov 5 2003, 08:06 PM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   QUOTE (Sphynx @ Nov 5 2003, 02:23 AM) Persona...   Nov 5 2003, 08:24 PM
- - Sphynx   It's better than Vindictive. Sphynx   Nov 5 2003, 08:39 PM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   Only in your mind's eye. By the rules involv...   Nov 5 2003, 08:46 PM
- - Sphynx   Fortunately, you live in a world where you can hav...   Nov 5 2003, 08:48 PM
- - The Frumious Bandersnatch   Yes, lucky me. In my strange little world, having...   Nov 5 2003, 08:54 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   The greatest advantage of vindictive is that there...   Nov 5 2003, 09:23 PM
- - Siege   Not to mention that an ex-con is going to get hass...   Nov 5 2003, 09:25 PM


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