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 help me reverst my strict Gm's house-rule, img magn v3 + combat |
 Nov 4 2003, 05:06 PM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706  |
The best use for the dual induction pad is when you're using twin SMGs. Take a pair of Ingram Smartguns with custom grips and you can deliver a burst with each for no recoil penalties during the round (as opposed to the +3 you'd get for doing the same with just one gun). Not to mention double ammo.
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Nov 4 2003, 05:31 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,632 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Portland Oregon, USA Member No.: 1,304 |
Someone mentioned that laser sights don't stack with Scopes/Vision mag. That's not correct is it? 'Cause it's silly and wrong if it is and the rule will be ignored in my game. Not that anyone in my game has thought of that yet :D And hopefully they don't read it here.
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Nov 4 2003, 05:38 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
They said that they don't in their game, which is correct (since it's their game, after all). The canon rules let them stack. How hard is it to think up, though? The record sheets at the back of the Cannon Companion give that nice little breakdown of ranges with various modifiers. Lets you quickly see what you want to use when and where. My current question is whether or not you can get the reduced grenade launcher scatter from a rangefinder + grenade link while using vision magnification. |
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Nov 4 2003, 05:43 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
The best part about dual SMGs with smartlinks is, if they do in fact accept both inputs, the fact that you've got both ammo counters counting down really quickly in your field of vision, and then you've got that cool effect as you pop both clips at once.
~J |
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 Nov 4 2003, 06:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
I'd say if you have 2 smartlinks implanted and you have a weapon in each hand, then you only get -1 from them instead of -2 because of the distraction of 2 crosshairs, even different coloured ones (you have to remember which one is which hand in order to draw a bead). But it would be an on the spot house rule if it came up, because very few characters that I know of have taken the double smartlinks implant (which, by the way, I'd buy piecemeal without a second simrig or display link) so it isn't likely to come up. I had a load of other stuff I was gonna waffle about but I've edited it out because frankly, it was all more 'here's my house rule' stuff, and didn't add anything to the discussion. Bottom line, having 2 smartlinks and firing 2 weapons at once isn't specifically covered by the rules, so your GM or you if you're it will have to come up with something to cover it. There's been loads of opinions posted, mine included, and some of them brilliant (I really like the scope+aim rule. Wouldn't count it for cyber zoom, but certainly for a scope because you have to physically lift it to your eye). Go for it!
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Nov 4 2003, 06:04 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Magazines. -Siege |
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Nov 4 2003, 06:16 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Issues of Time.
~J, still learning proper gun terminology |
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Nov 4 2003, 06:34 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
I'm just being obnoxious. It's a Hollywood-ism that has been adopted by the mainstream. -Siege |
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Nov 4 2003, 06:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
ok seige, I'll bite - what's wrong with clips? Genuinly. I only know what I've seen on TV and in SR - we don't have guns here! The only gun I ever owned was a 12 gauge shotgun (and not one of your fancy high tech pump actions either, no, a regalar two trigger double barrelled!), so all I really know anything about is the break action, saftey, and cartridge gagues of one specific weapon. Heh. Shotguns(break action)2(4). Yeah, I was pretty good according to my dad who I outshot regularly.
Anyway. Enough of shotguns, tell me about clips and magazines...? |
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Nov 4 2003, 06:44 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Technically that rectangular metal box that holds bullets is called a magazine.
Note I say "technically" since the term "clip" has become so ingrained that even people who handle guns professionally -- cops, for example, refer to the damned things as "clips". I couldn't even begin to guess why it's a pet peeve since I don't handle weapons as a profession. -Siege Edit: A "clip" is a strip of metal that holds the bullets in place and is fed into the weapon. I _think_ the M1 Garand actually uses a clip to feed bullets. http://www.civilianmarksmanship.com/access...c10pockets.html Look at how the bullets are contained in the "clip." Now, look at: http://www.valtrousa.com/photogallery/clip.html That big thing on the right side is a loaded magazine (even if the manufacturer lists it as a clip.html) |
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Nov 4 2003, 06:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 944 Joined: 19-February 03 Member No.: 4,128 |
A clip is a piece of metal that grips the back end of your set of 4-5 rounds. You push the entire clip into your rifle, and cannot add more rounds until all the rounds in the clip were gone, and the rifle ejects the empty clip.
A magazine is a (usually removable) box that holds the rounds before loading them into the weapon. |
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Nov 4 2003, 06:59 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,632 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Portland Oregon, USA Member No.: 1,304 |
Nice, I was going to say that.
We all got that term from watching Combat, didn't we? |
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Nov 4 2003, 07:05 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
So is there a special name for an internal magazine (as in most shotguns) to differentiate it from the removable kind? Other than "internal magazine" I mean.
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Nov 4 2003, 07:08 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,632 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Portland Oregon, USA Member No.: 1,304 |
I don't think so.
The clip in question is the clip of ammo used in the M-1 Garand. If you've ever played Medal of Honor, you know how it can occasionally be a pain in the ass. I'm sure a similar system was used in other weapons but I don't personally know. I believe the internal magazine on a shotgun has no other name. |
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Nov 4 2003, 10:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
OK, thanks. Interesting bit of trivia!
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Nov 5 2003, 12:12 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
It actually is. SR3 PG112 under the heading, using a second firearm Technically it isn't even a "gun" if you want to be anal about it. It is a "firearm" or pistol, rifle, carbine, etc. In the army they had an old little ditty, This is my riffle, this is my gun, one is for killing, the other for... Since this is a pg-13 forum I chose to leave the ending to your imagination. This post has been edited by Shadow: Nov 5 2003, 03:05 AM |
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Nov 5 2003, 01:12 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
And since it has been adopted by the mainstream, and is generally considered to be correct usage, then it is perfectly acceptable to use clips in that connotation. If it isn't technically correct at present, it won't be long before it will be. |
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Nov 5 2003, 02:07 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
So I can still yelp and bitch until it is. The major achievement for me is realizing it's a pointless act of resistance on my part. Now I just have to make myself stop... :grinbig: -Siege |
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Nov 5 2003, 03:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 596 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,112 |
Shadow, seeing that this is the thread for pedantics, I have to say that rifle only has one 'f' in it. :)
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Nov 5 2003, 03:05 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
I knew that, I was testing you, and you passed! :grinbig: |
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Nov 5 2003, 03:18 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
I have played in games where the GM often makes that mistake. Instead of spending 15 minutes pawing through the books looking for an obscure rule, he obnoxiously makes up a quick rule and moves the game along. What an asshole. |
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Nov 5 2003, 03:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 24-September 03 From: Albany, OR Member No.: 5,643 |
He's an asshole? For NOT wasting 15 minutes on something that he could check after the game? He could then start the next game with the correction. No interruptions. I always apologize to my group for mistakes and such that I make. It happens. That's why I am always asking questions here. 15 minutes is a chunk. Some groups can't lose that much time. |
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Nov 5 2003, 03:45 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Nindaru,
If I am not mistaken, Zazen had the [/sarcasm] tag on. It may not have come out very well, but I think he was making the point you just made. I know in my group (when I had a group) I had a strict rule about pausing the game to dispute a rule. We didn't. You don't like my calls, tough cookies, talk to me after the game will change for the next time. Under no circumstances did we discuss during the game though. It can really kill a game to get bogged down in a rule argument. |
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Nov 5 2003, 03:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 24-September 03 From: Albany, OR Member No.: 5,643 |
Damnit! Why do I always miss the /sarcasm tag?!?
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Nov 5 2003, 04:28 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
It was done in dark grey pixels on dark grey background. |
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