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 Apr 9 2007, 08:42 AM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters  Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798  |
Ok here’s the request been doing some discussion with the other commandos on this subject.
Over the years we are certain that the different uniforms worn by various corp. security (Red Samurai & others), police officers (Lone Star & others), patrol units (Tir Ghosts & others) even military units (UCAS & others) have been described we don't remember them all. So question to the community as a whole could you help out and go through the books and get the different descriptions then post them here so we can use them in Shadowrun Missions as well as a being able to use it as a guide for how to paint the miniature figures? We really would love the help and others on this site may find this usefull as well if they have the miniature figures and want to paint them. |
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Apr 9 2007, 08:01 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 13-July 03 From: Scotsprawl Member No.: 4,923 |
I'm sure i have a lot of this info in my first and second edition books, will see what i can dig out, i have a picture in the 1st ed Seattle sourcebook of corp types but im not sure how legal it would be to scan and post ??? corporate police uniforms of aztech, renraku, mitsuhama, knight errant, lone star and fuchi( for us old timers ;) ) operatives.
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Apr 9 2007, 10:50 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
check out the original Seattle SB, it's got a few security guard outfits illustrated.
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Apr 10 2007, 04:02 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 13-July 03 From: Scotsprawl Member No.: 4,923 |
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Apr 10 2007, 04:06 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 13-July 03 From: Scotsprawl Member No.: 4,923 |
ooops, no key :(
1 : Aztechnology. 2 : Renraku. 3 : Mitsuhama. 4 : Knight Errant. 5 : Lone Star. 6 : Fuchi. 7 : Aztechnology. |
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Apr 10 2007, 04:14 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,266 Joined: 3-June 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,638 |
I remember that picture. I fear it's a little dated. They look a little too much like tracksuits. One sees people dressed like that in housing estates around here.
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Apr 10 2007, 04:30 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
My players have always used it as the true evidence of Aztechnology's evil...
Come on what could be worse than beige uniforms? |
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Apr 10 2007, 04:33 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,288 Joined: 4-September 06 From: The Scandinavian Federation Member No.: 9,300 |
Looks like something taking out of Marvel comics... waay too 80s. I'm guessing we need to make new uniforms for the next generation - less glaring colors, more streamlined... I'm thinking of uniforms more akin to Battlestar galactica, modern day SWAT and anti-terrorist units. |
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Apr 10 2007, 06:03 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
I got to thinking It has been 20 years or so sence those uniforms were in use add to that the new matrix and other changes in the world it would make sence that the corps have updated their uniforms.
So I guess we need if they can someone from the inside to let us know if new pics are being made of corp/goverment/security/police units in new uniforms. Maybe in this book? Corporate Guide 2070 - Corporate Download 2.0 there was a post sometime ago that this was being made. |
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Apr 10 2007, 06:13 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 13-July 03 From: Scotsprawl Member No.: 4,923 |
yeah, at the least a guide to the colours or adopted symbols of most corps would give you something to play with.
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Apr 10 2007, 06:28 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
Does anybody have any idea what DocWagon uniforms look like?
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Apr 10 2007, 06:58 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
One of the missions has a description. The one I ran last Friday, which you missed! I think it involved red jackets. |
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Apr 10 2007, 07:24 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
You guys that are worried about them being dated are missing the point. Hopefully Wounded Ronin will stop by and straighten you out soon. :D
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Apr 10 2007, 07:29 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,266 Joined: 3-June 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,638 |
I'm not worried. I just don't think that primary coloured jumpsuits inspire the kind of fear that 'law' enforcement in a 2070 dystopia should.
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Apr 10 2007, 07:47 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 13-July 03 From: Scotsprawl Member No.: 4,923 |
currently tracking down a few other pics, docwagon included :)
unfortunately most seem to be in black and white :( |
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Apr 10 2007, 09:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
OK, I'm swinging by this thread because Eidolon alerted me to the discussion taking place.
I'm here to tell you that Shadowrun is very much a game about the 80s. The pulse of Shadowrun beats with jumpsuits, ninjas, Chuck Norris, and laid-off Midwestern auto workers. In SR1 you actually had a sourcebook with information on purchasing guitars and throwing rock concerts because whaling on guitars was considered a key player character activity. In SR artwork over the years you see a lot of leather jackets, pink mohawks, Escape From New York stuff. Think about it. Why did katanas do Str +3 M when a "sword" did less? Because in the context of the 80s when there was fear of Japanese companies "buying out" the US people in the US often felt that a product was better if it was Asian. The katana being inexplicably better than the "sword" is a manifestation of that mindset. As of SR3 the FASA people decided to add Western companies to the group of megacorps but the truth is that originally the vast majority of the megacorps were Japanese. This is exactly analagous to the fears in the 80s people had of Japanese economic domination. That's a very powerful demonstration of how SR was intended to be an 80s game. Read the SR2 sourcebook. There's quotes for a Yakuza Oyabun contact and he complains about how the younger generation of Yakuza have no HONAAAAA. 80s movie sterotype, right there. Look at a lot of the old artwork. In many cases the characters portrayed have big hair. 80s hair. A lot of times the city sprawl surrounding the characters is pretty much a Blade Runner ripoff. Read the older novels. Many of them are chalk full of orientalist Eric Van Lustbader style asian sensei-isms. The first Shadowrun novel I ever read featured an elf who was hearing quotes from his Japanese super sensei in his head. Later he wakes up wearing a yukata that has a Japanese beer company insignia stamped on it. There was another novel where the main character was a bushido-minded female bodyguard for a mediocre megacorp. She used katanas, asian martial arts, and wanted to chop off her finger at some point in time. There is so much 80s orientalism crammed into the legacy and lore of Shadowrun that it's very hard in my mind to seperate Shadowrun from essentially being a repository of 80s popular culture. So, when you claim that this image (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p152/sticks_08/Seattlesfinest1Aztechnology2Renraku.jpg) is silly I really think you're missing the point. That image is showing *exactly* how the uniforms must look in keeping with the 80s pastiche of Shadowrun. |
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Apr 10 2007, 10:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,266 Joined: 3-June 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,638 |
That's all well and good if you want to play the game as an 80's pastiche. However, I feel that the jump suits possess rather too much in the way of kitsch value, and to most people's 21st century sensibilities they induce laughter and amusement, rather than a vision of a dark future.
I don't personally feel that the fashion espoused in the artwork is a necessary component of the Nipponophile Corporate-run dystopia. I didn't much like 80's fashion when I was growing up in the 80's, and I prefer to take my fashion cues from alternative sources. |
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Apr 10 2007, 10:34 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,288 Joined: 4-September 06 From: The Scandinavian Federation Member No.: 9,300 |
Ronin, I don't argue that this game was not inspired by 80s cyberpunk. Heck, that kind of thing can even be fun some times. I watched Cyborg yesterday, an 80s flick starring Jean-Claude van Damme and ridiculous outfits, Mad Max style. It was fun, but despite the blood flying everywhere and them trying to make the villain scary, it doesen't work that well on me after I've seen the villain in The Matrix. Let's face it, the face of Shadowrun has changed with the new edition - the world, the rules, the technology and most of all the style has changed. Sure, you can still find katanas... but that's because katanas are part of our popular culture. Kill Bill ring a bell? Still you don't see Karate Kid movies anymore, and Europe has stopped waving their long hair around. Take a look at the artwork in Shadowrun 4th edition. Not many mohawks left, are there? Instead, some of them look like characters out of 5th element, Matrix, Starship Troopers, Farscape. The new style is a mix. Yes, there is still punk (the dwarf rigger has a mowhawk), but there is also long leather coats and dark shades, modern day clothing, outlandish hairstyles and psi-fi clothing. So I still believe that the uniforms needs some update. But you'll all free to play in your 80s if you want to, just as you're free to use 1st ed rules. |
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Apr 10 2007, 11:04 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...I was always partial to the Wrath of Kahn era Starfleet unis.
Also liked the Babylon5 unis as well. |
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Apr 10 2007, 11:37 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
No offence Ronin but I have to with Dork on this one.
New rules and new or at least improved magic, matrix, and technology all lead to coporations rethinking their presentation to the mass public. |
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Apr 10 2007, 11:37 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
I don't know what's funnier, your absolutely perfect and flawless in every way take on Shadowrun, or when people doubt you. :D Thanks, WR. @ornot, FriendoftheDork, apologies. I love WR's take on SR (and would kill a thousand Red Samurai to play in his game) and can't resist an opportunity to get him to post it. Nobody's suggesting that there's one way to play or trying to start an argument, it's all in good fun. Except that WR is 100% correct. You must play a rocker with a pink mohawk, hand razors, a one piece jumpsuit, and you must wail on the guitar 24/7, or you aren't playing Shadowrun. ;) |
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Apr 10 2007, 11:51 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,266 Joined: 3-June 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,638 |
It would certainly be an entertaining game, but I stand by my assertion that cops in track suits aren't that scary.
If they must wear primary coloured one pieces, at least make them armoured and throw in a full helmet with a mirror finish visor. |
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Apr 10 2007, 11:56 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
You're right. All cops should look like this. :D
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Apr 11 2007, 12:02 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...man ya got me waxin all nostalgic like here. Trippy weapon damage codes, The Rocker and Elven Decker (not just a decker, an Elven Decker) archetypes, Adepts with the Automatic Successes power, the original Turn to Goo spell, Docwagon Bracelets with the shot of TKM in them... To heck with revisionism... ...where's my original core rulebook? :cyber: |
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Apr 11 2007, 12:19 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,288 Joined: 4-September 06 From: The Scandinavian Federation Member No.: 9,300 |
LOL is that a CODPIECE? Yeah even Judge Dredd ain't scary anymore. Although now that I see it it reminds me alot of 2nd ed Lone Star pictures. |
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