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> Zurich Orbital vs. Vatican City, Which one could you crack?
FrankTrollman
post Apr 23 2007, 01:34 AM
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It occurs to me upon further reflection, that there is a hack to get in to the Black Library. The place is a vault, not just metaphorically in that the security is extremely tight, but in actuality. It is literally there to protect and secure the contents of stuff that the Vatican does not want found.

If you got a warded object tagged as something that was a sealed source of Angels of Satan or some similar blasphemous artifact, the Vatican would take it - ward and all - into the Black Library vault. If that object happened to have someone on the inside who was being sustained indefinitely with Hybernate, then they wouldn't specifically have any way of knowing that.

Now the Guardian Angels never sleep, and neither do the cameras. But the camera system is strictly on-site. It is not allowed to send any information as to the contents of those vaults outside. Any illusion you cast inside the ward is invisible to the scutiny of the Angels and if powerful enough will fool the cameras. That'll give you enough breathing space to open up the container and let loose a drone. You can use that drone to relay over and hack the cameras to loop some feed, and then you can walk your drone around the inside of the vault for as long as you want. that can set up any of a number of things, so long as it doesn't touch any of the exhibits, doesn't move around ay living or enchanted thing, and carries no spell or sorcerous residue.

Not much room to get your stuff accomplished, is it? Well, the key here is that you can throw down some explosives, which are highly processed and unlikely to be noticed by the Angels.

So now you blow the entrance from the inside, and the Vatican is going to have to call in outside "technicians" to handle the demon attack. Well, now that you've got a transmitter on the inside (and by transmitter, I mean that you've got a hibernating magician connected to an ally spirit who is in communication with an outside rigger) you know where it is. And you have access to their wireless accounts.

So now you intercept the traffic requesting assistance and you answer that you're available to respond on their channels. You show up partially shaved and partially outfitted in Templar garments and apologize profusely for your rushed appearance and they'll tell you to blow your way in to keep the demonic forces from doing... whatever it is that they are doing in there. You rush in guns blazing, have some bound spirits appear and fight them off. Blow the fuck out of some stuff and march out with whatever you're after and your hibernated insurgents.

Evac and switch vehicles. Go to a ward and go to ground. Stay that way for weeks.

There is always a hack. You up for this one?

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Courtesy: Ocean's Eleven, with obvious updates to allow for the Magical properties of the security system.

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post Apr 23 2007, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE (Plan B)
...or physical intrusion into the Vatican City Vaults (assuming we all believe that they have secret vaults)?

Since you said Vatican City Vaults I'm assuming you mean places like the Vatican Secret Archives, yeah they really do have a place called that :), that are actually located in the basement of the Vatican and not the Aquinae Vaults from Threats 2 that are located throughout the world?

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Now the Guardian Angels never sleep, and neither do the cameras.

Okay I must ask, but where are you getting the Guardian Angels bit from? Granted its been a while since I read Loose Alliances so I might just be forgetting, but is that actually from one of the books or something you came up with yourself?
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post Apr 23 2007, 04:10 AM
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guardian angels = various kinds of spirits conjured and bound (probably long term) by church magicians (of which there are a few orders, if my memory is correct).
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post Apr 23 2007, 04:13 AM
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So a smash and grab job then?
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post Apr 23 2007, 04:25 AM
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:rotfl:

Sliiightly more complicated.
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post Apr 23 2007, 04:50 AM
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QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Apr 22 2007, 04:20 PM)
QUOTE (mfb @ Apr 22 2007, 04:16 PM)
there aren't people who are allowed into the Vaults?

There are, but you have to get past magical scrutiny in addition to physical scrutiny.

So it's pretty much doomed, because the people who have access have a direct telepathic link to one or more of the guardian angels on the premises. Faking an ID of on-sight personel is essentially impossible.

-Frank

yeah, but there's nothing stopping Z-O from having magical security on the ground. you want onto Z-O, you ride in a Z-O shuttle (unless they're idiots). all it takes is one wagemage glancing at you on the astral and you're made.

the Vaults' biggest protection is secrecy. and really, you gotta figure that if you've got a reason to get into the Vaults, you already have a way to find them--just track back the source of information that clued you in on the Vaults' existence in the first place.

Z-O might be easier if you've got the perfect plan and it goes off without a hitch--since, as you said, once you're on Z-O, you've got the advantage of not being subject to magical security. however, the environmental concerns make creating that perfect plan much harder, and makes it almost impossible to have a good backup plan. if you've got a good plan in the Vaults, there's a lot more room for error.
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post Apr 23 2007, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Apr 22 2007, 08:34 PM)
So now you blow the entrance from the inside, and the Vatican is going to have to call in outside "technicians" to handle the demon attack.

They'll probably 'call' them using a (watcher) spirit, if there aren't watchers spirits on site already who warn a HTR Team whenever something is blown up / dispelled / banished / etc...
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post Apr 23 2007, 02:24 PM
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The Vaults could also be built on Domains which can be just as detrimental to Magic use. Remember a void screws with everyone and I do not see the CC allowing a certain tradition gaining a Domain where they launch their orbitals(eg. Wuxing will not want Aztech to mess with their juju and vice versa).

Also the difficulty of a physical intrusion increases the more open-ended the premise of the run is. For example, if your Johnson told you that the Corp Court/Vatican was in possession of an important "something" and he wants you to track it down and steal it back, now the most secure place available to the CC would be the ZO Orbital, a hit or 2 on the knowledge test should yield that, but for the Vatican it might take 4+ hits to know that the Vaults would be the most secure places. And then you need to find the Vaults and after that you need to find which Vault it is in and so on.

Some theory-running - Let's say that the Vaults require a minimum of 2 more tests to find out where the artifact is: to actually know that the Vaults exist(success test), to find out where the Vaults are/artifact actually is(extended test). And let's say that the difficulty of both sites are extreme with ZO requiring 1-2 more successes per test. You'd need at least 9 tests to balance the number of successes in favor of ZO.
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