Shadowrun: The Swimsuit Edition, ...don't forget the SPF200 Options

[MYST1C]

So what's the 'artistic' height for Trolls? The official height seems not to be the size most artists draw them at!

Judging from the size of other (meta)humans depicted along, cars, doors, etc. most drawn trolls seem to be in the 2.1-2.3m range (read: one head taller than humans/elves/orks*) when they should be 2.5m (2.8 in SR1-3).

* Orks and elves are almost always drawn at the same height as humans although the race descriptions state that they should be taller - 1.75m vs. 1.9m...

[Hagga]

I prefer the height of the ones on the Sprawl Survival Guide, myself.

And call me crazy, but isn't the average height for a male human a flat six feet these days? Have I missed something, or has both school and life experience presented me with a false impression? I'm by no means tall at 183 and men shorter than I am is a fairly rare occurrence unless I travel to the BIG CITY.

[pbangarth]

I prefer the height of the ones on the Sprawl Survival Guide, myself.

And call me crazy, but isn't the average height for a male human a flat six feet these days? Have I missed something, or has both school and life experience presented me with a false impression? I'm by no means tall at 183 and men shorter than I am is a fairly rare occurrence unless I travel to the BIG CITY.

Nutrition is a huge factor in height, so that could be a factor in a post-apocalyptic/ soy-hell future.

Could it be the tall ones are the ones who will express meta-human phenotypes when the mana comes?

[Blade]

Keep in mind that it's probably a worldwide statistics... And there are a lot of chinese out there.

[Stahlseele]

Take into account that when SR first came out people were usually smaller too . . with every two generations, people seem to be about 0,5 to 1 head taller . .
back when 1,9m used to be tall O.o

[Blade]

1,9m is still tall for normal people, you North-German giant! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Synner667]

Judging from the size of other (meta)humans depicted along, cars, doors, etc. most drawn trolls seem to be in the 2.1-2.3m range (read: one head taller than humans/elves/orks*) when they should be 2.5m (2.8 in SR1-3).

* Orks and elves are almost always drawn at the same height as humans although the race descriptions state that they should be taller - 1.75m vs. 1.9m...

In order for them to actually be anything other than people in funny clothes and no dfferent to everyone else I've always had Trolls at least 2.5m tall, Elves a litttle taller and thinner than Humans, Orks a little shorter and stocker than Humans, Dwarves a max of 1.5m tall.

Completely accurate ??
No, but much more in line with SR material. Much more likely to make racial differences visible (remember Trolls and Dwarves are usually unable to use Human standard items, which wouldn't be the case if they were just a little bit different from the average Human).

Plus I'm sick and tired of Players playing a Troll and then just playing a Human who can take lots of damage.

[lordnth]

Found this picture just a few weeks ago as my gaming group is just starting up a SR3 game.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Lord...keUnderhill.jpg

While it's not Swimsuit, but then are any Swim Suit Editions really swimwear or just an excuse for something less while on the beach?

[ShadowKat]

I stumbled across these forums the other day while bored and searching for some equipment stats. I typically sketch all my characters and thought, '... Constance would sooo do a swimsuit shoot!' So here she is... be gentle this is my first post here.

Yes, I know.. another elf! I couldn't resist the chance to give my new CS4 a workout though! Will get some color on her soon. Might sketch up her phyad trainer, Troll, too...

Constance:
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg130/t...onstance_bw.jpg

[Fleinhoy]

Bizzarly enough one of the players in my group just started sketching the various characters while they were on a beach holiday, all in various beach/swimsiut and clothing holding coconut drinks. Don't think she's on DS, but I'll tick her on to posting them here, mainly because they're damned good.

On the meta height thing I think it's a bit of a leftover from the height/weight discrepancies in 1st ed, as those ratios made no sense at all. Another factor might be that people who normally count in feet and inches (possibly the writers?) have problems converting to meters and centimeters; for a while I played in a group where the GM constantly referred to my troll as being 7 feet tall when the correct conversion was more along the lines of 9 feet pluss...

[MYST1C]

Another factor might be that people who normally count in feet and inches (possibly the writers?) have problems converting to meters and centimeters

Actually, conversion error is a common way to explain the ridiculous weights of firearms smaller than SMGs in previous editions. Those weights only made sense when you interpreted them as being in pounds even though they had kilogram written on them (1kg = 2.2lb).

[nylanfs]

Actually, conversion error is a common way to explain the ridiculous weights of firearms smaller than SMGs in previous editions. Those weights only made sense when you interpreted them as being in pounds even though they had kilogram written on them (1kg = 2.2lb).

God I wish the US would just freaking switch (along with all the other countries in the world that haven't). I'm an engineer in the US and am constantly having to switch thinking between Imperial, Metric and Soft Metric (which for those of you unfamilier is a straight Imperial conversion no rounding (1in = 25.4mm)). Imperial only made sense when the majority of the population could only divide by two.

[pbangarth]

God I wish the US would just freaking switch (along with all the other countries in the world that haven't). I'm an engineer in the US and am constantly having to switch thinking between Imperial, Metric and Soft Metric (which for those of you unfamilier is a straight Imperial conversion no rounding (1in = 25.4mm)). Imperial only made sense when the majority of the population could only divide by two.

There was a Mars orbiter that crashed into Mars because someone calculated speed/trajectory/whatever using imperial, while someone else used metric.

Of course, the people over in ConspiracyX think there is another reason.

[Wounded Ronin]

There was a Mars orbiter that crashed into Mars because someone calculated speed/trajectory/whatever using imperial, while someone else used metric.

Of course, the people over in ConspiracyX think there is another reason.

It's because Doom 3 was real. Duh.

[hyzmarca]

God I wish the US would just freaking switch (along with all the other countries in the world that haven't). I'm an engineer in the US and am constantly having to switch thinking between Imperial, Metric and Soft Metric (which for those of you unfamilier is a straight Imperial conversion no rounding (1in = 25.4mm)). Imperial only made sense when the majority of the population could only divide by two.

Technically, you'd be thinking in US Customary, not Imperial. US Customary and Imperial both derive from English units, but have some minor differences that make them incompatible. The US fluid ounce, for example, is larger than the imperial fluid ounce. And that can result in some problems if you're using specific volumes of fluids.

[nylanfs]

Yes I know, but I didn't want to get too technical and the majority of people refer to US Customary as Imperial if they aren't familier with both systems. Which still makes my point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[pbangarth]

Yes I know, but I didn't want to get too technical and the majority of people refer to US Customary as Imperial if they aren't familier with both systems. Which still makes my point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Ditto for me. Also, someone who a) is immersed in the metric system, and b) perceives the U.S. as an empire would naturally gravitate to use of the word 'imperial'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Neraph]

There was a Mars orbiter that crashed into Mars because someone calculated speed/trajectory/whatever using imperial, while someone else used metric.

Of course, the people over in ConspiracyX think there is another reason.

Actually, what it was was the genius Americans (I'm an American, and I'm slightly embarrassed about this) used feet and pounds and whatnot, and the English that were co-working the probe used meters and kilos. I think it was the English who didn't label their work, and the Americans assumed feet/pounds.

I remember because I was in like 8th grade Science and my teacher was getting onto people about not labeling their work right when this happened. Then he was like "You see, you need to label your work."

[knasser]

I remember because I was in like 8th grade Science and my teacher was getting onto people about not labeling their work right when this happened. Then he was like "You see, you need to label your work."

I'm sure some kid would have replied "Why? It obviously doesn't stop me getting a job at NASA." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I think it's a shame the UK changed decimalised their currency. With 240 pence to the pound it would be so much easier to work out restaurant bills. How prime factors does one-hundred have? 2 and 5. How many prime factors does two-hundred and forty have? 2, 3 and 5. Mind you, people just use the calculator on their phone so I guess mental arithmetic is obsolete.

Yes, I know.. another elf! I couldn't resist the chance to give my new CS4 a workout though! Will get some color on her soon. Might sketch up her phyad trainer, Troll, too...

Constance:
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg130/t...onstance_bw.jpg

I like this. Do post the coloured version when you're done and I'll include it in the finished Swimsuit magazine if you're okay with that?

Bizzarly enough one of the players in my group just started sketching the various characters while they were on a beach holiday, all in various beach/swimsiut and clothing holding coconut drinks. Don't think she's on DS, but I'll tick her on to posting them here, mainly because they're damned good.

Please do! The more material we get the more we can do a decent Swimsuit Edition of Shadowrun. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[The Neutronium A...]

Actually, what it was was the genius Americans (I'm an American, and I'm slightly embarrassed about this) used feet and pounds and whatnot, and the English that were co-working the probe used meters and kilos. I think it was the English who didn't label their work, and the Americans assumed feet/pounds.

I remember because I was in like 8th grade Science and my teacher was getting onto people about not labeling their work right when this happened. Then he was like "You see, you need to label your work."

There was no UK team involved in the Mars Orbiter mission. The probe was built by Lockheed Martin in Colorado, who used English units and were supposed to have converted them to metric but didn't, and operated by JPL in California (who use metric). It wasn't so much a case of failing to label the work as a case of Lockheed missing a step and NASA's internal quality checks failing to catch the error.

[knasser]

There was no UK team involved in the Mars Orbiter mission. The probe was built by Lockheed Martin in Colorado, who used English units and were supposed to have converted them to metric but didn't, and operated by JPL in California (who use metric). It wasn't so much a case of failing to label the work as a case of Lockheed missing a step and NASA's internal quality checks failing to catch the error.

You know I'm just trying, actually trying, to imagine what it must have felt like for everyone back at control, watching that satellite disappearing into Mars' atmosphere. Apparently it took 286 days for that probe to make its way from Earth to Mars and during that time everything seemed fine. And then just as everyone is excitedly waiting for it to enter orbit... BOOOOOooooopp *pop*

It must have been awful.

And then came the day that someone stared at some numbers on a computer screen and realised why... Can you just imagine them staring at the phone and wondering who is going to make the call and say "we found what caused it to go wrong..."

Everytime they see one of those plastic rulers with metric on one side and imperial on the other it must all come flooding back... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Neraph]

Getting my pictures up, at long last. Forgive the quality, I'm having to "scan" them onto my computer using my digital camera.

Link!

[SaintHax]

Funny, my next photo project will be fantasy and cyberpunk fantasy pin up stuff. However, it's not cheap to do: props, models, etc. Do you think a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit level (skin wise) photo book would have a sale value at cons? For a 20 to 30 page perfect bound book, what price do you think it would go for. Historically, photographers can't cover costs for special projects like these, and artist can-- so... no pin up elf/dwarf/orc/troll books at GenCon.

Both links below are lingerie level skin
My Commercial/Boudoir work
My outdoor, no lighting equipment stuff


I'd really like to shoot this, b/c it sounds fun as hell.

[Aaron]

Tried asking d20 Girls if they need any marketing shots?

[SaintHax]

Tried asking d20 Girls if they need any marketing shots?

Yes, at Origins last year I talked to them. The problem is they have no budget (I can feel the pain). Most of their photographers are more junior and do the work in exchange to work w/ models for free. I currently am able to pull TFP shoots in my area. To take the equipment on a plane to a Con, would be a loss of money for me-- plus I'd give up Con stuff to work for TFP. Sadly, it just won't work out unless they come to MetroCon in Tampa... which is about 5 minutes from my house.

To do a market quality shoot requires prop rentals-- you want a good looking HK-MP5 in that Sam's hands (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)