Supersquirt, Effect based on success? |
Supersquirt, Effect based on success? |
May 8 2007, 02:48 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,192 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Texas - The RGV Member No.: 11,613 |
I'm thinking about about making a character that uses Supersquirt-type weapons exclusively. My question for you guys is "Does initial successes add the effectiveness of the chemical agents with these weapons?" I can see why it wouldn't, due to the effect being based on a chemical effect rather than bullet energy and placement, but then there is the flip-side where a pepperball right in the eye socket is worth two in the chest.
Thoughts? Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! ) |
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May 8 2007, 02:55 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
Without actually reading anything, off the top of my head, I believe that your hits on the attack do not increase the effect, but you do score a successful strike on a tie.
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May 8 2007, 05:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
Having actually read it, yeah the dart deals no damage so the hits account for nothing just making it harder to dodge.
It looks like armor makes little difference with out chemical protection or a chemical seal. So it be a nice weapon. The chemical seal (only on full body armor) may make the target immune to the weapon. I don't see it bypassing a solid armor shell. |
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May 9 2007, 04:54 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...used it in previous editions. Excellent and effective stealthy weapon. Used to have it loaded with Gamma-S but with the reduction in power level from 10D to 8, Narcojet is now far superior (and more easily available) if you just want to go for the straight knockout shot.
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May 9 2007, 07:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 28-July 05 Member No.: 7,526 |
no , for the reason you stated. The thought is that a good shot can't raise the effect of the toxin beyond full strength. If anything, lack of successes would lower the power, representing less than a full dose being administered. |
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May 9 2007, 07:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 11-July 06 Member No.: 8,863 |
i would rule that initial success' just increase the threshold for resisting the toxin, you know based on how well the shot was placed, like if it got the jugular or close to the heart. or maybe remove damage resist dice.
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May 9 2007, 08:41 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...that's how one of the GM's I played under handled it. |
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May 9 2007, 09:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 748 Joined: 22-April 07 From: Vermont Member No.: 11,507 |
One of my favorite weapons of all time...
Back in the day, one of my runners used a ten-shot ELD-Pistol, (see the Ares ELD-AR, from M&M) with a variety of DMSO laced rounds. (I had a gunsmith manufacture one with the ten round capacity and a gas canister in a combined clip.) Very concealable, and silent, weapon. Score a hit on anyone who is not wearing chem-sealed armor, and down they go. And as for being rousted by the Star, all I was carrying was a paint-ball gun (unless they tested the rounds themselves). Of course, my GM ruled that on the old equivelent of a Critical Glitch, the round broke in the gun and I was the one SOL. |
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May 10 2007, 02:07 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
So, does normal armor affect the damage from a supersquirt? Does it have the normal roll body+armor deal, or does it go right to resolving the chemicals effect?
I can't find anywhere in the book where it says how to resolve it. |
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May 10 2007, 02:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
For an injection arrow (which deals damage). You get your armor in the defense. If you don't get wounded it can't inject you with poison. However the super squirt, isn't an injection weapon. It shoots a gel pack, by that and the name it tells me it delivers contact poisons only it doesn't shoot poison darts. "forces the skin to absorb the chemicals" Anyway armor only helps you with toxins if A: the weapon must injure you before the poison is applied B: Through chemical protections which you'd add to your roll Chemical Seal grants immunity to contact and inhalation |
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May 10 2007, 05:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 410 Joined: 5-April 07 From: Vancouver, BC Member No.: 11,383 |
Same sort of question, why would hits increase damage on electrical weapons then. Wouldn't it just make it harder to dodge?
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May 10 2007, 06:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
Because electrical damage isn't the same as poison. Poison travels through the bloodstream and attacks what ever it is meant to attack. But in the end its about dosage. Electricity doesn't arc around your entire body it travels the shortest route to the ground. A taser dart to your foot will be much less effective then if it hits around your heart. Electrical damage all about current and amps. For example six milliamps is the threshold where the heart is stopped. However getting six milliamps to your arm is unlikely to travel to your heart unless the current has a long duration. A poison dart to your arm however is just as likely to spread to your heart as a dart to your throat. Actually a vein in the arm may be faster as a hit to the throat would have the poison pumping away. Good if the poison targeted the brain tissue. |
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May 10 2007, 07:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 410 Joined: 5-April 07 From: Vancouver, BC Member No.: 11,383 |
yeah but the tasers work on really small amps with high voltages. electricity doesn't take only the shortest path it takes all paths. so a hit to the arm with a high voltage will travel through you entire body. true the number of electrons moving through farther away parts of your body will be considerably less, but the damage is from it messing with your bodies signals to it's muscles and that doesn't take much at all.
i do agree that hits shouldn't up the damage from a poison, but i also think that electicity shouldn't go up too. |
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May 10 2007, 03:18 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
The statement that electricity follows ths shortest possible path, while not entirely correct, it is a good enough approximation, espcially in situations with high resistivity.
If you were to shoot someone in the foot with a taser and measure the current in the head, it would be basicaly zero compared to the situation when you shoot someone in th head. Whereas a toxin introduced into the blood stream at any point uses the body's own systems to route it to every point in the body. |
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May 10 2007, 09:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 588 Joined: 27-February 06 Member No.: 8,316 |
In the old system they were virtually silent, in the SR4 it doesn't say anything to indicate that is still so. I can imagine that to get any decent range out of it, they would need something more powerful than compressed co2 |
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