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 May 15 2007, 04:03 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill.  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006  |
In the BBB it states that common use programs cost 50 nuyen up to rating 3 and 100 nuyen up to rating 6. Does this meen a rating 6 program cost 450 or 600? It seems to me that it would be 50 nuyen per rating to 3 then 100 nuyen per rating to 6.
I would check the FAQ but the website is down... again. |
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May 15 2007, 04:35 AM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
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May 15 2007, 04:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
Dire who posted seconds before me explained it better
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May 15 2007, 02:42 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
I see what you are saying, but that makes no sense. A level 3 program cost 150 and a level 4 cost 400?
Wouldn't it make more sense that a level 3 cost 150 and a level 4 cost 250? |
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May 15 2007, 03:18 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: 30-June 06 From: Fort Wayne, IN Member No.: 8,814 |
It depends on who you talk to... I think it "makes senses" either way, but I rule it as a level 4 cost 400. I think the majority of GMs rule it that way, but if you want to give up a level 4 program at 250, go for it. It doesn't matter what "we" think, it matters what the GM and players think in your group... |
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May 15 2007, 03:57 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
Honestly, those are pretty small values to be sweating over. Unless you're running as very low level campaign you're talking 150 nuyen chummer. Milk money.
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May 15 2007, 04:28 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...now when it comes to upgrading Hacking utilities or your Commlink's performance it can get a bit more expensive. So what happens if you upgrade your CL's Response from 3 - 4 does it cost the whole 4000? or just the difference between ratings 3 & 4 (2,500)?
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May 15 2007, 04:29 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Well I am using Common use programs as an example to clarify the rule. It isn't so much themoney as the rule I am trying to figure out. We could go over to programs and start talking a level 3 cost 1500 and a level 4 cost 4000. That makes even less sense.
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May 15 2007, 04:31 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
Just because it's non linear doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
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May 15 2007, 04:34 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
It's been said before, but unless you want your players saving their money for long stretches of time to make big upgrades, just let them pay the difference. I prefer to see lots of incremental upgrades, so I make it as easy as possible to take that approach. |
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May 15 2007, 04:35 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Uh yes, that is pretty much the definition of not making sense. Everything has an escalating cost based on value. The Value diference between 3 and a 4 is no greater than a 2 and a 3, so why is the price so much more? |
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May 15 2007, 04:38 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,266 Joined: 3-June 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,638 |
not exactly. You roll more dice with a higher program rating. I don't think the probability of success with more dice is linear, but then I'm not mathematician. |
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May 15 2007, 05:01 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 4-January 07 Member No.: 10,539 |
Well there are diminishing returns for investment. You could make the same argument about attributes(why the final point costs 25 BP in comparison to all the other points costing 10) the final point isn't a linear progression. Look at hardware upgrades they don't look to be linear. Improving things with karma acts this way, each stat costs progressively more while only giving a single additional die. Also from a non game mechanics point of view it makes sense that once you start buying the better equipment they'll have a higher mark up. If the people need the best equipment in general people are going to charge more for the best equipment. |
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May 15 2007, 05:10 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: 30-June 06 From: Fort Wayne, IN Member No.: 8,814 |
I think the thing you are leaving out is the "to you". Its not that it doesn't make sense, its that it doesn't make sense, to you. I agree, that the difference between 2 and 3 is no greater than 3 and 4, but with a 6 point rating system and what the rules seem to be implying, is that up to rating 3, there is a lot more availability, whereas getting to 4, 5 and 6 are a lot more restrictive and rare. For example, in my game, for purposes of training, I allow my players to find instruction programs up to rating 3 on the matrix, but anything above that, they need an "in the flesh" instructor. Skills, attributes and device ratings, all seem to have a break between 3 and 4...so to me, having this non-linear increase between 3 and 4, well, makes sense to me and my game. As to the "upgrade". Whether it makes sense or not, I simply charge the full cost for a program rating 4, even if "upgrading" from rating 3. Again, its just a matter of balance in your particular game. Our group usually has enough nuyen as to not make this a big deal...so, as long as my players are aware of how I run, everything is cool. |
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May 15 2007, 05:42 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
Actually, I'd ask more why rating 3 or less is soooo much cheaper. |
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May 15 2007, 06:12 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
Have you ever noticed the difference between personal video editing software and professional video editing software? The personal stuff ranges from about US$30 to about US$120. The professional stuff ranges from about US$500 to US$3,000. That's why there's a gap. |
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May 15 2007, 06:19 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
And then there is Maya... *shudder*
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May 15 2007, 08:38 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Hmmso what you are saying is that the professional stuff is way better than the personal stuff. So what, you think the pro stuff is 1 poitn better than the personal stuff?
Don't try to make sense of the senselesness I guess. |
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May 15 2007, 08:46 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,706 Joined: 30-June 06 From: Fort Wayne, IN Member No.: 8,814 |
Well, I think you have to look at those ratings though...I mean, you take a program level 3, which is an average program, something easily found on the street. Then you take a level 6, the uber secret government all options version...and that is simply 3 extra dice...
Yup, three dice...that's all...granted, I house-rule that program rating + 1 caps successes on a test, so that is actually a bigger deal... I've basically allowed all my players to pick up free software up to rating 3, if they want to spend the time looking for it. Anything above that, only able to be purchased or stolen...again, talking 600 nuyen for a rating 6 common use program...that really shouldn't be putting the squeeze on too many runners... |
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