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 May 25 2007, 06:20 PM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440  |
Ok the BBB has stats for three shotgun weapons.
What is the setting of the shotgun's choke set for ie narrow etc for the stats in the BBB? Or are those stats in some kinda neutral setting? WearzManySkins |
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May 25 2007, 06:26 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
Narrow is the "default" choke on a shotgun and as of the new flechette rulings puts it at a +2 DV +5 AP over a slug. Medium choke becomes +0 DV +7 AP with a -2 to the opponents defense roll and Wide choke becomes -2DV +9 AP (better hope they are unarmored!) with a -4 on the defense roll.
Note this is on page 144 but doesn't take into account the new ammo rules. |
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May 25 2007, 06:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
You can also hit more then one target at the same time with a higher choke.
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May 25 2007, 07:00 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
New Flechette rulings? where are these? ah version 1.5 of the errata. So narrow was +2 DV +2 AP, now becomes +2 DV +5 AP Medium was +0 DV +4 AP, now becomes +0 DV +5 AP Wide was -2 DV +6 AP, now becomes -2 DV, +5 AP Interesting So a CMDT set on Narrow firing a narrow burst is +13 DV +5 AP Long burst narrow set on narrow choke is +16 DV +5 AP Full burst narrow set on narrow choke is +20 DV +5 AP Yes I know the recoil from above will be great. Interesting... Edit made changes to +5 AP WearzManySkins |
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May 25 2007, 07:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 10,517 |
I had a question about shotguns that isn't related to choke settings but I'll ask it here.
Can you get stuff like Explosive Slug rounds or APDS rounds for shotguns or are you basically just limited to the choice of shot/slug? I didn't the the BBB was 100% clear on that. |
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May 25 2007, 07:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 588 Joined: 27-February 06 Member No.: 8,316 |
You can't get anything of the sort since you're unarmed :rotfl:
I would say any ammo options are available for slugs but not for flechettes. |
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May 25 2007, 08:04 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
You added +2 too much AP to your figures. Old Flechette was +2DV +2AP. New Flechette is +2DV +5AP. Just add 3 to the old AP value and voila.
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May 25 2007, 08:06 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
no, the AP didn't increase *by* 5, it increased *to* 5 for the flechettes. big difference. |
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May 25 2007, 08:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 10,517 |
I'm uh... asking for a friend. ;) |
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May 25 2007, 08:37 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
Given the way shotguns work I don't know how well an explosive round would work... probably wouldn't want to try it. I'd stick shotguns with Flechette, normal ammo, and stick n' shock. I mean... can you even make a shotgun slug an armor piercing discarding sabot? (APDS) |
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May 25 2007, 08:41 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
How is that less believable than the same round in a hold-out pistol? :) |
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May 25 2007, 08:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Iraq Member No.: 1,789 |
Yeah, it's called a .50 caliber slug round. Those things can go through engine blocks.
My personal favorite ammo is incendiary and Big D's Temper rounds. Flambed orc anyone? |
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May 25 2007, 09:46 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
Yes today there is Discarding Sabot rounds for shotguns, most are in the 12 gauge size. Making such Sabots AP is basically changing the materials in the Sabot. WearzManySkins |
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May 25 2007, 09:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832 |
yeah, shotguns are quite utilitarian, basically if it can withstand the pressure of the powder, fits in the barrel and weighs ~3-5 ounces, you can shoot it out of a shotgun.
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May 26 2007, 03:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 171 Joined: 5-February 05 Member No.: 7,053 |
You have a problem with explosive and APDS rounds in a shotgun, but not Stick n' shock? Is it just a magical invention that gets a Get Out Of Houserules Free card? |
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May 26 2007, 06:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 11-July 06 Member No.: 8,863 |
i just houseruled a conversion of ammo from the cannon compaion and from street sam catalogs from versions 2 |
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May 26 2007, 06:47 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 26-February 07 From: Hildesheim, Germany Member No.: 11,107 |
Where did you take this DV from ???? +20 DV ??? Flechette reduces DV.... Edit-.... haven't read properly. |
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May 26 2007, 06:49 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 26-February 07 From: Hildesheim, Germany Member No.: 11,107 |
doubleposted...
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May 26 2007, 11:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
What does everyone think the rules should be for Dragonfire rounds. Those Shotgun rounds that turned a shotgun into a coned flamethrower, but had a chance of warping the barrel.
Looking to build a sawed-off Double-barrel (over-under) Street-sweeper with those slugs. A.K.A. Troll-killer It would more or less be a one-shot weapon as the barrel would more than likely warp badly from the heat. |
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May 26 2007, 04:11 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 4-January 07 Member No.: 10,539 |
As for exploding rounds, I don't see why a shotgun couldn't fire them. There is currently a form of ammo that essentially makes a shotgun into a mini-grenade launcher. Each shell contains a mini-grenade in it that can be fired quite acurately and very rapidly.( Woo for the TV show Future weapons)
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May 26 2007, 05:48 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
Kazum,
Narrow setting on the shotgun's choke yields a DV +2 Narrow full burst(10 rounds) yields +9 DV Mossberg AM-CMDT the only RAW fully automatic shotgun base damage with flechettes is 9P So 9+2+9 is 20 DV but due to the full burst is -9 dice pool modifier with out recoil mods. You can add a shock pad for +1 recoil mod, gas vent 3 for +3 recoil mod, and gyrostabilizaton for another recoil mod of 6 points of recoil mod. Yes a fully automatic shotgun firing full bursts using narrow choke setting,, well call it the "Meat Grinder". Try using that in an ambush situation, in a closed area on your player's characters. :grinbig: |
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May 26 2007, 06:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 168 Joined: 23-April 07 From: Aurora, CO Member No.: 11,514 |
Better hope you have the gyro though... uncompensated recoil for shotties is double just like heavy weapons. I say you could have any rounds for the slug throwers. That is probably why the Mossberg only fires flachette... game balance... otherwise it is the uber exploding ammo launcher of doom... which i would not have a problem with personally. Shotguns are very useful and flexible. |
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May 26 2007, 07:10 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
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May 26 2007, 07:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 168 Joined: 23-April 07 From: Aurora, CO Member No.: 11,514 |
Well that screams EX-explosive to me if anything did. I think I remember those being tested on futureweapons once in a nifty full auto shotgun they had. Man those would be terrifying in an urban enviroment.... BOOM BOOM BOOM! :D |
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May 26 2007, 07:51 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
One problem with that link....19mm is not 12 gauge, it is close to 10 gauge. I know because I have used spreadsheets to design shotguns and weapons for a SF RPG game Ok correction 12 gauge is .729 inches or 18.53 mm, so they are being generous in their rounding of the numbers. :D 10 gauge is .775 inches or 19.69 mm, so using their rounding standards a 10 gauge is a 20 mm. :D Here is a link for the technically curious. :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_gauge |
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