 Items sold by the unit, What's the standard? |
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 Jun 11 2007, 08:19 AM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters  Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798  |
This is mainly for magical supplies that are sold by the unit so what is a unit?
Oricalcum 50,000 a unit? Flowers (depending on grade) 50 / 100 / 200 a unit? So on and so fourth so what is a unit 1 gram? 1 ounce? 1 pound? 1 kilo? What should I as a GM say the amount of a unit is? I get that it can be different for each item I get that it's a GM's call as to the quantity. I guess what I am asking is if there is no set standard what do other GM's use as a mesure of a unit per each item sold by the unit? Please post your thoughts and ideas maybe we can all come to an agreement that can become the standard then if a GM wants s/he can increase/decrease as fits their game and style. Like for instance 1 unit of oricalcum is 2 ounces as a standard but in GM freds game oricalcum is a bit rarer so he modifies it to be 1 ounce. While GM shelly says oricalcum is readily available so it is 3 ounces. Mean while the main mass of GM's leaves it at 2 ounces because we as a community have by majoirty said this amount seemed reasonablely accurate to the way the story and/or rules are playing out. |
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Jun 11 2007, 11:58 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
The short answer is that it varies depending on the material. One unit of raw redwood might be a couple twigs or one really big pinecone, for example. The mass, volume, and/or weight don't have to match.
That said, in past editions one unit of orichalum was 10 grams, one unit of raw materials 10 kg (5kg for herbals), one unit of refined materials 5 kg (2.5 kg for herbals), and one unit of radicals 100 g (50 g for herbals). |
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Jun 11 2007, 06:44 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Thanks AH that's a real good general quantity to base decisions off of it'll help me in decideing costs for my players.
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Jun 11 2007, 06:50 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
I'm fairly certain a unit is 1/10 a kg. I based this off of two sources:
Magic in the Shadows: Orichalcum is 88,000 nuyen per unit. Cyberpirates (during a discussion about orichalcum smuggling): "What's bigger than 880,000 nuyen a kilo?!" |
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Jun 11 2007, 08:08 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Ok so I did some work after what AH said and I now have this to work off of.
I included the conversion tables as I am one of those Americas (I'm sure there are others) who just isn't up on the metric system. Items sold by the unit Average quantities for items sold by the unit One unit of orichalcum - 10 grams One unit of raw reagents - 10 kilograms (5 kilograms for herbals) One unit of refined reagents - 5 kilograms (2.5 kilograms for herbals) One unit of radical reagents - 100 grams (50 grams for herbals) GRAMS/OUNCES 10 grams = 0.3527 ounce 20 grams = 0.7055 ounce 30 grams = 1.0582 ounces 40 grams = 1.4110 ounces 50 grams = 1.7637 ounces 60 grams = 2.1164 ounces 70 grams = 2.4692 ounces 80 grams = 2.8219 ounces 90 grams = 3.1747 ounces 100 grams = 3.5274 ounces 150 grams = 5.2911 ounces 200 grams = 7.0548 ounces 250 grams = 8.8185 ounces 300 grams = 10.582 ounces 350 grams = 12.346 ounces 400 grams = 14.110 ounces 450 grams = 15.873 ounces 500 grams = 17.637 ounces 550 grams = 19.401 ounces 600 grams = 21.164 ounces OUNCES/GRAMS 1 ounce = 28.350 grams 2 ounces = 56.699 grams 3 ounces = 85.049 grams 4 ounces = 113.40 grams 5 ounces = 141.75 grams 6 ounces = 170.10 grams 7 ounces = 198.45 grams 8 ounces = 226.80 grams 9 ounces = 255.15 grams 10 ounces = 283.50 grams 11 ounces = 311.84 grams 12 ounces = 340.19 grams 13 ounces = 368.54 grams 14 ounces = 396.89 grams 15 ounces = 425.24 grams 16 ounces = 453.59 grams 17 ounces = 481.94 grams 18 ounces = 510.29 grams 19 ounces = 538.64 grams 20 ounces = 566.99 grams KILOGRAMS/ POUNDS 1 kilogram = 2.2046 pounds 2 kilograms = 4.4092 pounds 3 kilograms = 6.6139 pounds 4 kilograms = 8.8185 pounds 5 kilograms = 11.023 pounds 6 kilograms = 13.228 pounds 7 kilograms = 15.432 pounds 8 kilograms = 17.637 pounds 9 kilograms = 19.842 pounds 10 kilograms = 22.046 pounds 11 kilograms = 24.251 pounds 12 kilograms = 26.455 pounds 13 kilograms = 28.660 pounds 14 kilograms = 30.865 pounds 15 kilograms = 33.069 pounds 16 kilograms = 35.274 pounds 17 kilograms = 37.479 pounds 18 kilograms = 39.683 pounds 19 kilograms = 41.888 pounds 20 kilograms = 44.092 pounds POUNDS/KILOGRAMS 1 pound = 0.4536 kilogram 2 pounds = 0.9072 kilograms 3 pounds = 1.3608 kilograms 4 pounds = 1.8144 kilograms 5 pounds = 2.2680 kilograms 6 pounds = 2.7216 kilograms 7 pounds = 3.1751 kilograms 8 pounds = 3.6287 kilograms 9 pounds = 4.0823 kilograms 10 pounds = 4.5359 kilograms 11 pounds = 4.9895 kilograms 12 pounds = 5.4431 kilograms 13 pounds = 5.8967 kilograms 14 pounds = 6.3503 kilograms 15 pounds = 6.8039 kilograms 16 pounds = 7.2575 kilograms 17 pounds = 7.7111 kilograms 18 pounds = 8.1647 kilograms 19 pounds = 8.6183 kilograms 20 pounds = 9.0719 kilograms |
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Jun 11 2007, 09:52 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Added conversion tables so that conversions go both ways.
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Jun 11 2007, 10:27 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
One note in SM, one takes x unit raw equals x units of refined, x refined units equals x units reagents, there does not be a size reduction per every step.
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Jun 11 2007, 10:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 615 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,895 |
Casazil:
Personally I would keep it undefined. A 'unit' is the amount needed to count when processing for enchanting. A gallon of pure water might be a unit. An Once of Orichalcum might be a unit. A CC of blood freely given from a Great Dragon, might be a 'unit' A unit can vary depending on what the subject matter is. Basically a 'unit' is the smallest amount of material that can metaphysically make a difference. |
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Jun 12 2007, 12:51 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
SR4 moved away from denoting every single gram and kilogram of gear a character carries, and this was carried over when writing Street Magic. There's nothing to stop you from keeping track of encumbrance and the like in your home games, but just for general reference, take a look at the sidebar on page 82 entitled Form and Function. It's not a hard and fast rule, but it gives an example to gamemasters of what the three grades of reagents should look and feel like-you'll note the general movement toward more "finished" materials, with any "excess" or "impurities" removed. Another way of looking at it, for those familiar with Earthdawn, is to think of reagents as analogues of True Elements. In Earthdawn, the unit of True Elements was the kernel, and the general size and appearence of the kernel was determined by the quality or "grade" (this was almost purely fluff, mechanically one kernel was as good as another). For example, a "low grade" kernel of True Earth would appear as a decent-sized clod of dirt or rock, while a "high grade" kernel of True Earth might resemble a small gemstone. In Shadowrun, you could basically equate this as one unit of a given reagent being smaller in mass or volume than another unit of the same type because it is of higher "quality"-though they are treated the same for game purposes, one would be substantially easier to transport than the other. |
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Jun 12 2007, 07:10 AM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Ok well I get what your saying there AH but this was not for weight or encumberance but to determine how much or this or that was needed to do something in the game.
In this case it was to have enough materials to produce paints from radicals so that a player could using his art skill paint his thesis/masterpiece for his initiatory ordeal. |
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