Cha 1 Uncouth Rigger, How should I deal with him? |
Cha 1 Uncouth Rigger, How should I deal with him? |
Jun 26 2007, 10:31 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Well ShadowDragon8685 I think this is what I would do:
( 1 ) Remind your bunkered Rigger the meaning of "Realistically Run World" and introduce him to some of the reasons that Riggers/Deckers now come along with the team as well as why one man bunkers in the middle of the Barrens are almost as good of an idea as kicking Lofwry in the nuts. ( 2 ) Ask Samantha if she would be interested in retconning her character as a Decker instead of a Technomancer, they are alot easier to play and if built properly she should have enough Build Points left over to be more then just a Decker, it seems that your team is lacking a Face for example. (Plus a Decker/Face combo works well together as long as you allow Social Engineering hacking to work.) *EDIT* ( 3 ) Post Jtuxyan's Rigger, because the more I read about his character the more I'd like to take a look at it because something doesn't smell quite right. *EDIT 2.0* Although I suppose I could be mistaken... |
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Jun 26 2007, 11:32 PM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
The way to put a crimp in Mr. Lucky's style is to restrict his usage of Edge. Say, he can only use it while present, not via drone. This is consistent with the "No Edge with Skillwires" rule.
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Jun 26 2007, 11:36 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
the problem being, you then get no edge use in the matrix at all cain.
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Jun 27 2007, 04:49 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
You can use it while "virtually" present; e.g., your consciousness and focus is there. But you can't use it when captain's chair-ing a drone, on behalf of an Agent, etc, etc. The munchkin Mr. Lucky can use his edge when he's piloting one drone; but the minute it runs into wifi-blocking wallpaper, he gets cut off and can't spend Edge.
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Jun 27 2007, 08:55 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 28 Joined: 27-June 07 From: Liberty-Township, Ohio Member No.: 12,068 |
You know, I'm glad I saw this topic before I made my character. I was going to make an uncouth mystic adept/adept stealthy as-all-hell shadowrunner with one charisma and the uncouth quality.
Now I've decided against it. =) |
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Jun 28 2007, 01:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
Had one Lucky character burn an edge when I asked everyone to roll perception as they were sneaking through the Ork underground. 6 hits and there was nothing out of the ordinary. |
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Jun 28 2007, 02:27 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Come on. With 6 hits, you should've at least let him notice that one of the other party members with a squatter/low lifestyle forgot to take their last shower.
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Jun 28 2007, 03:37 AM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
but wouldnt that be normal? i'd find it more amusing if one of the middle style people forgot :D |
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Jun 28 2007, 01:25 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Edge and perception checks has always been weird, in my mind. I mean, edge is supposed to be that special luck that really pulls your bacon out of the fire when you really need it, but how does a player know which perception test is to spot the bomb that will kill everyone and which one is just the GM making them paranoid?
I don't really have a rule for this, but I think that if it were a very important roll then, after seeing a table full of very poor rolls, I'd probably let them know that it might be a good time to use edge. Thoughts? Or is this way too off topic? |
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Jun 28 2007, 01:49 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
i dont agree, the players should make that choice, otherwise the extra rolls " just cuz" are worthless, the players will only use the edge if they are guided to do so for perception, they'll believe everything else is extra
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Jun 28 2007, 01:55 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
The GM could always accept the burning of the EG point in the spirit in which it is intended; and save that particular Perception roll for a near-future time when it really counts.
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Jun 28 2007, 03:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
Sounds reasonable |
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Jun 28 2007, 03:50 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,866 Joined: 31-December 06 Member No.: 10,502 |
Well we're off topic but I don't have my characters generally roll perception unless it's about to be critical (like do they see the shooter about to ambush them), or if they're actively using the observe in detail action or something like that.
For everything else I queue up rolls on paper and just read through them. It speeds things up greatly. As I can work in details they notice into the origional description of things. It also avoids having to do fake rolls all the freaking time to keep them from doing the "I roll perception and pull out my gun" thing. Sometimes I'll just roll for them myself if it's a bit more important. I tend to fidget with dice while playing so that also doesn't disrupt the flow really. |
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Jun 28 2007, 03:56 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I chopped up your post a lot, but there are the parts I'm interested in: This is EXACTLY the behavior that creates the "roll perception and pull out my gun" thinking. If you only ask for perception tests when it's about to be critical, then they quickly figure out that when you ask them, they need to pull out a gun. Having rolls down in advance to consult for non-critical checks certainly speeds things up, but it doesn't escape this problem, it causes it. |
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Jun 28 2007, 04:18 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
The time/place for perception checks is an interesting topic. however it isn't really this topic. Please bring it back to topic, or feel free to create another thread.
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Jun 28 2007, 05:17 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
You're right.
To continue the perception conversation, go here. Back to your regularly scheduled munchkinism. |
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