 Emergence Review, (Some spoilers. Kept to a few, but...) |
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 Jun 23 2007, 08:56 PM
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Immortal Elf  Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670  |
well, that stuff is just a desire for consistency and realism. i mean, as presented, Humanis is a popular, powerful fringe group that no one supports--but that almost won a presidential bid. they're a clean, friendly we-don't-hate-anyone group that randomly drops bombs on meta neighborhoods. i mean, what the hell, man?
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Jun 23 2007, 09:05 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
mfb, did you just describe Humanis, or the American Evangelical movement?
I kid! maybe. >_> |
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Jun 23 2007, 09:07 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
And now we know the correct way to protray Humanis in our campaigns. :cyber:
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Jun 23 2007, 09:07 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
I agree that Humanis should be more mainstream. That any time they work an attack like that, it should be through proxies. It's been said before that that is what they do, but it's rarely presented that way in the game. If they're going to take out a neighborhood, it should be like what happened to the Cutters. However ,I haven't gotten that far in to Emergence yet, so I don't know the details of the attack in question.
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Jun 23 2007, 09:10 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
<shrug> Republicans get voted into office all the time.
Here's a comparison: the Humanis Policlub is a lot like the NRA in the USA. It gets totally lambasted by liberals, trashed often by the press-but it is very popular among many common voters, and has many celebrity spokespersons, corporate sponsors with deep pockets, and consequently many friendly politicians. And for the most part, chapters of the Humanis Policlubs are not evil. They're law-abiding guys and gals that like to hang out together-just like an Elks Lodge or American Legion club. The problem is that some groups actually do have a completely racist agenda, and the ways and means to carry it out. They're the fanatics, the white-hooders, the guys that stockpile automatic weapons and grenades-and they also happen to be the people behind the scenes running things. The people on the outside spread crazy rumors about the shit they get up to, the liberals and bourgeoisie "know better" but rarely do anything, and the powerful politicos either ignore them or try to use them for their own advantage. Think about this for a second: most of the guys in the Humanis Policlub aren't racist in the sense that they'd participate in a lynching. They're basically good people, even if they call anything with horns a trog. Hell, they probably go home and jerk off to interracial porn, getting themselves all worked up because of the "taboo" nature of the relationship. So say you, Joe Shadowrunner, in a fit of righteous pique, firebomb the local Humanis Policlub. Fight the Man! End the Hate! Except you just cacked about sixteen beer-swilling guys drinking at the only bar in ten miles that opens at nine in the morning, the old lady that cleans the place on Tuesdays, and maybe one teenager with his head screwed on backwards that actually likes to kick the shit out of dwarfs 'cause they're the only thing smaller than him. That's the kicker, the nasty bit that keeps the Humanis Policlub going: the real bastards, the wolves, hide out amidst the sheep. [/edit]@fisty: Augmentation is slated next. |
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Jun 23 2007, 09:15 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
You woulden't happen to be able to provide an online link to that, would you, Fisty?
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Jun 23 2007, 09:21 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
that's certainly how i prefer to play them.
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Jun 23 2007, 10:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,507 Joined: 27-January 05 From: ...and I'm all out of bubblegum Member No.: 7,021 |
Actually, this part isn't right. I wouldn't open the spoiler if you've got any interest in reading the narrative for yourself. [ Spoiler ] |
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Jun 23 2007, 10:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Iraq Member No.: 1,789 |
So we can treat the Humanis Policlub like a mix between the NRA and the Scientologists?
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Jun 23 2007, 10:21 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Newsflash: Runners are mistrustfull and no white knights. :P
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Jun 23 2007, 10:22 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Naw, the Universal Brotherhood was the Sixth World's version of Scientologists. :cyber:
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Jun 23 2007, 10:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Iraq Member No.: 1,789 |
But everybody knows Horizon is just a new front for the Universal Brotherhood. Right?
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Jun 23 2007, 10:44 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Now why would you say that? We all know that they don't feed your soul to evil Bug Spirits, they aren't Ares you know.
Instead they feed your soul to evil AIs that use the upcoming rules in AUG to rig your body as a Biodrone. :cyber: |
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Jun 24 2007, 12:51 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
I have the article on my desk in front of me, but couldn't find it on the paper's website. if you're interested, the paper is the Record Searchlight out of Redding, California. Atricle is titled 'Restricted' Caller, because all the phone calls show 'Restricted' . |
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Jun 24 2007, 03:19 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
People care about technomancers because technomancers make hospitals explode. And set huge metroplexes on fire. And all that other stuff that had been attributed to them. Said so on the news. |
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Jun 24 2007, 04:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042 |
Why are people afraid of technomancers?
Because the last big mysterious matrix phenomenon nearly plunged the 6th World into a new dark age. Similarly, in the SR books magophobia keeps popping up as an inexplicable artifact of mankind's ignorance. Walking among you, looking just like you, are people who can kill you with a thought, read your mind, telekinetically throw you over the house, turn you into a giant insect, or make you cut your own child's throat with a paring knife. What's to worry about? |
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Jun 24 2007, 05:29 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
Right. So why get worked up about a handful of people (they're listed as rarer than mages) who can do things that other people can already do? @bclements: When MFB says all the cool people, I'm afraid Clockwork is not a counter-example. He's ignorant and comes up with weak arguments to support his case. He's a strawman - i.e. a deliberately weak proponent of his beliefs so that he can be shot down. The part at the end that you reference really just goes to drive home the simplisitic message. |
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Jun 24 2007, 05:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042 |
Because the technomancer phenomenon is poorly understood. Joe Citizen of the 6th World doesn't have SR4 open in front of him like we do.
And because technomancers are associated in the public mind with the Crash of '64, the trauma of which is still very fresh to Joe Citizen. |
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Jun 24 2007, 06:31 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Oh, and BTW - big Booos for putting that as a fact in Game Information:
[ Spoiler ] It completly cut's the cliffhangers from System Failure. |
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Jun 24 2007, 06:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 22-June 07 Member No.: 11,979 |
Joe Shmoe is scared. If you look at one of the posters on Jackpoint (Not naming names, start with a C, ends with lockwork), you can see just what they fear. They fear something that might be related to the Crash, maybe even caused it. Just like the witchhunts of old, people are afraid of what they can't understand, and therefore much BURN IT! BURN IT TO HELL!
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Jun 24 2007, 08:59 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,507 Joined: 27-January 05 From: ...and I'm all out of bubblegum Member No.: 7,021 |
Oh, no doubt; most 'I don't like you because of what* you are' arguments tend to be fairly ignorant and at best simplistic. However, IMO he's one of the "cool kids" that mfb mentions because of the following things: -He's posting on Jackpoint By definition, he's going to be a voice that carries some weight, because he's on a closed system and has been vouched for by at least someone else on that system (this isn't just 'hack a node and get in' like the old Shadowland). Sure, we've seen in past shadowtalk some of the same type of talk, but that's been from some fairly obvious Humanis type people that the former Shadowland sysops let in, not in Jackpoint. Clockwork's a regular contributor seemingly, and is featured in Arsenal along with Picador by the login page. -He's a hobgoblin IIRC, they're picked on pretty hard just for being born in the area that they're common (Mid east ork variant, I want to say). As an aside to the above, I do like the fixed number of Jackpoint personalities. I hope the writers develop their personalities more in the upcoming work; I imagine that jobs easier now ;) *ork, troll, Awakened, TM; something you were born with that isn't easily changed. |
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Jun 24 2007, 09:18 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
Not so; I'm still worried about Pax and her ilk. That metaplot thread hasn't been closed yet, which means that she's (probably) still running around somewhere. considering how psychotic and ruthless she is, that's not a good thing. |
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Jun 24 2007, 09:36 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
It still is bad taste to not leaving open the possibility.
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Jun 25 2007, 03:13 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
not that there's any chance Pax is a TM. as i recall, she had less essence than a toaster.
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Jun 25 2007, 03:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
Which means that she's probably even more dangerous now--if she went through all of the setup to the Crash 2.0 just to have a chance at keeping them, what would she resort to to regain them? |
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