 The Horror of Shedim, Shadowrun 4 - Earthdawn |
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 Jul 7 2007, 08:35 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Ann Arbor, MI Member No.: 7,803  |
Alright, so I just got my hands on Street Magic and Shadows of Asia (fluff material ahoy!) and some parts about shedim appearing in Jerusalem (known for mana warps and astral rifts) made me start thinking...
Are the Shedim a precursor to the Horrors of Earthdawn? It seems that way to me. They seem, to me, to be astral horrors, that, due to the lower magic level of the current 6th age, are unable to manifest physically for long periods (i.e., Evanescence). Is there anything remotely canon to support this theory? I rather hope so, although I'm more than willing to break canon in this case, since one of the themes of the SR4 game I'll be running is the link between the 4th Age and the 6th Age. |
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Jul 7 2007, 12:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 718 Joined: 10-September 05 From: Montevideo, in the elusive shadows of Latin America Member No.: 7,727 |
yes they are. And bug spirits too -the invae- and dragons are...
Anyway, lots have been said about this, and I am not the most qualified to guide you through the material, but: -I recommend you browse this forums -particularly the shadowrun discussion forum- with the earthdawn connection query, please be sure to modify your query in order to allow older posts -Find "Ancient History" -the poster here- His website has some almost canonical material in that regard you may like to read. Also, as name implies, he is into older stuff. You are on the right track, cheers! Max |
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Jul 7 2007, 02:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Hmm? Someone rang?
It's unclear whether shedim are Horrors or not. They bear several similiar attributes, but they're not exactly like anything in Earthdawn. |
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Jul 7 2007, 07:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Ann Arbor, MI Member No.: 7,803 |
Hrm. From what I've gathered, it would seem that AZT may actually have horrors inside some of their temple facilities. Could the shedim have any connection with blood spirits? I know that blood spirits didn't really exist in Earthdawn - could they, too, be some sort of chrysalis form of horror? |
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Jul 7 2007, 07:55 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Unlikely. There may be some connection, due to the attraction blood magic has for the Horrors, but it doesn't seem to be their modus operandi. Have you gone through the Aztlan Annotations?
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Jul 7 2007, 08:04 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Keep in mind that SR4 has a fundamentally different take on Blood Spirits:
You don't summon a Blood Spirit - while invoking a normal Spirit into Great Form, you use Blood Magic to increase its power, thereby tainting it. |
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Jul 10 2007, 11:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Which may actually be closer to way the setting implies. It certainly fits the DH trilogy better.
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Jul 10 2007, 06:55 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
The shedim kinda remind me of the Gahmeks (see Twiceborn of the Parlainth Undead.) but made visible.
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Jul 10 2007, 11:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Ann Arbor, MI Member No.: 7,803 |
Yeeeesss... The Aztlan Annotations are serving as a bit of inspiration for my upcoming SR4 game. |
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Jul 17 2007, 09:20 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
They might be astral horrors (similar to the mentioned Gharmek), but there is no proof for this theory. |
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Jul 17 2007, 10:02 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Does anyone know the licensing issues? Can Shadowrun and Earthdawn touch that closely on each other anymore, or have the licenses spread out too far?
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Jul 17 2007, 10:40 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Afaik links can be brought up between the two games.
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Jul 18 2007, 12:45 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Gharmek is a relatively poor comparison. For one, it's a physical Horror. For two, it doesn't inhabit the dead, it can animate large numbers of dead bodies and allow them to retain their former personalities. Very different in many respects. |
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Jul 18 2007, 05:20 AM
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Avatar of Dis Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 1-August 05 From: Cologne Member No.: 7,529 |
Hiya!
There are no licensing issues (unless you have something specific in mind that I'm missing here :) ). The links that are in place haven't lost their validity, and we (that's Rob and me) exchange ideas every now and then to keep them alive as well as introduce new ones. Earthdawn and Shadowrun are siblings, and we treat them as such. Best, Dammi |
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Jul 18 2007, 06:13 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
I know; the only similarity they have is the control of other body. That's not much, but at least a little. |
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Jul 18 2007, 02:26 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Sweet! When can we expect a full scale invasion from some of the nastier big bads? :) |
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Jul 18 2007, 02:33 PM
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Avatar of Dis Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 1-August 05 From: Cologne Member No.: 7,529 |
Hiya!
These things always hit you from out of nowhere. :D Best, Dammi |
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Jul 18 2007, 05:37 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,873 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Vote BoneCrown for President! UCAS UNITED!
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Jul 18 2007, 06:29 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Eh. Demiwraith is closer. |
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Jul 18 2007, 08:18 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
1:0 for you.
How could I dare to challenge AH? :D |
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