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Runner  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,020 Joined: 11-March 02 From: The MSP 'Plex Member No.: 2,326  |
RAW = Rules As Written IIRC = If I Recall/Remember Correctly :D :D Just a little more "Politeness" injected into this lovely thread. |
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Jul 12 2007, 04:19 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Yeah, RAW is something that started being thrown around when the SR4 newbies showed up. IIRC, is short for If I Recall Correctly.
Now what does d**k, f**ker, and AD&D stand for? [ Spoiler ]
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Jul 12 2007, 04:29 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
No linkies available to the dearly departed Lounge threads. :( |
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Jul 12 2007, 04:58 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I recall the thread. It wasn't me, but I remember when the person made the interjection, I was kind of pleased.
I thought you were talking about before my time, but I seem to be mistaken. I remember lurking before joining and thinking you better have a bit of attitude if you were going to post here. |
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Jul 12 2007, 08:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 289 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,625 |
It's entirely possible my memory of the forums at that time has been coloured by that thread. That it still stands out in my mind is probably a good indication of that, or that there was really was a mythical Pyrite Age in DSF's history and I'm just incorrectly associating it with that thread. I'm not even sure when it happened year wise, my brain seems to think that storing memories chronologically is overrated. I think the forum was brown at the time...
Either way, that thread was very unusual, and mildly disturbing, and I too was glad to see the interjection. |
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Jul 12 2007, 10:30 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I never spent much time in the Lounge if I could help it, though I remember that thread somehow. That said, my impression was that the cultural norms there were almost totally different from those in the Shadowrun-debate areas of Dumpshock.
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Jul 12 2007, 04:28 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Remember that thread where people took phrases from the book and drew ridiculous conclusions from absolutely literal readings? Alas, my search-fu seems to be weak, and I cannot provide linkage, but it made well the point that a gaming rulebook is not a programming language, and should not be treated as such. It was a fun little thread, though. |
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Jul 12 2007, 04:40 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
I think you're spot on with RAW showing up here with the release of SR4. It used to be used almost solely in discussions about d20 (mostly D&D), and when SR4 came out billed as "easier to learn" etc. and started attracting the new, younger D&D crowd, it ended up getting used over here.
Personally, I find it ridiculous. RAW is just "the rules". If you want to be clear about the fact that you're talking about rules in the book, just say rules. If you're not, you're talking about house rules. And frankly, if you think you're up to joining in from a "I'm quoting the rules" stance, you should know the rules well enough to know when someone is talking about something that's obviously not by the book. If you don't, what business do you have quoting rules in the first place? (I don't mean "you should know the rules perfectly, but still.) But, it is in pretty common usage now, so oh well. Again, just my opinion. Nothing official here, etc., etc. Other "forumspeak" abbreviations I can think of include: AFAIK - as far as I know IME - in my experience IMG/C - in my games/campaigns YMMV - your mileage may vary |
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Jul 13 2007, 12:16 AM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Well personally I usually use RAW with just a hint of a muttered curse, to me it stands for unreasoned aherence to the letter of the rules instead of the intent of the rules.
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Jul 13 2007, 12:21 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
/agree
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Jul 13 2007, 01:12 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I still prefer to use 'canon'.
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Jul 13 2007, 01:14 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Canon�canon��.
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Jul 13 2007, 01:19 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Shhh, or I'll change that to 'a cannon' just for you. :P
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Jul 13 2007, 03:22 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
My perception of the lounge was that it had a more international flavor and part of it had a definite anti-US slant. Also that it was where politics and religion would get discussed way too often, and politics and religion are about the two worst subjects to get in an argument over. The other heavy subject matter was personal relationships. There was the poster keeping an online journal, maybe exclusively guys talking about their homosexual/crossdressing tendencies, and teenagers complaining about their parents. As far as the use/abandonment of the term canon, I think that is because some potential users do not know what it means and some posters have a hard enough time using the correct version of your/you're, there/their/they're, to/too/two, etc., much less canon/cannon. If they can use a shorter term and not risk looking ignorant, they go for RAW. |
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Jul 13 2007, 03:34 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I remember a truly massive thread identified only by the thread title, "Sex!".
That really about sums up my experience of the lounge. ~J |
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Jul 13 2007, 04:29 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Tisoz's perception of the Lounge lines up pretty well with my own perception of the Lounge. Pretty much every thread I recall with any distinction and detail, I can similarly recall my PMs and warnings from the mods over. It was a dark time in my user profile. A dark, bloody, time.
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Jul 13 2007, 05:38 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
I liked it. It skated the edge of anarchy; and as such, I encountered there povs and lifestyles I'd never have known otherwise. Much of it was alien to me, yes: but then I've always been one for trying to understand how others think.
Every other Internet board I'd encountered before this, well, it was easier to mean well when you're just a few dozen friends who mostly think in the same ways. Almost invariably the strong differences of opinion that led to real tension were reacted to in one of two ways: either the board drew back and metaphorically or in Internet equivalent closed its doors except to like-minded individuals; or the administrators started getting more and more heavy-handed, to the point where abuse of power threads were virtually a daily occurance. One of the classics I've encountered exceeded a thousand posts -- entirely on topic, and with not one non-administrative member losing their temper (at least, on-board). Another common outcome seems to be administration-by-peer-pressure/community-sanctioned mocking, but that's virtually universal -- even in the animal world, now that I consider it. The Lounge was as close to a free-wheeling balance as I'd seen anywhere. Edgy, yes, but I did find its tone singularly appropriate, especially for a Shadowrun board -- life-appropriate, not just in the abstract. There's all too few places like that in the world today. And now, there's one less. For sure RAW wasn't used here before SR4. I've got an "advantage" here: in that I have a clear skip in my life during which I had no access here. Before, SR4 had only just been released. (Remember the deluge of threads as everyone tried to find out its contents from the privileged few who'd managed to score a copy at GenCon?) At that time, no one was using the term RAW. But when I came back, everyone seemed to be using it. Is it just me, or does the acronym immediately evoke the WWE? (Which could further narrow which demographic originally coined it and among which it caught on.) |
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Jul 13 2007, 06:33 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I pretty much only visited it when the SR forum was slow, or I had too much time to kill. I think 98 or 99% of my posts were in the main SR forum. Compared to that, some loungers were 99% or so posting to the lounge. I'm curious about what lifestyles you were ignorant of without the lounge? People where I grew up, are usually termed rednecks or hillbillies, but 20 minutes away is a huge liberal college town, so maybe my view is skewed.
This implies the admins were the only ones losing their temper. ;)
Oh yes, I was the deluged. I was actually shocked that I did not get shut down for all the copywrite material I was putting up. I remember trying to sum up and paraphrase, which of course just started arguments from others that had the rules and further speculation from those that didn't. Settling those problems many times involved direct quotes. Concerning privileged? I put up a thread bitching about my efforts to secure a copy and the piss poor way the powers that be were handling the situation. IMO of course. For example, on day one there were over a hundred people waiting in line. The powers that be decided that they needed a Public Address announcement, with lots of hype, to say the books had physically arrived, knowing they already had more people in line, even limited to one copy per person, than they had books. Result, a mob, line cutters, either intentional or unintentional because of the confusion caused by the mob. Just one example...
Never. I guess I'm not that big a redneck. |
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Jul 13 2007, 08:30 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I liked it.
I found it quite interesting to discuss various non-gaming things with a hugely diverse group of people who all had at least Shadowrun in common. I enjoyed learning about various world events, customs, or idiosyncrasies that I would otherwise never have discovered, and then discussing them with a group of, if not friends, then at least contemporaries. I was just as happy with the 'trivial bullshit' as I was with the 'important stuff'. I learned about 911 while cruising Dumpshock in the middle of the night (Oz-time), and followed the progress through the various threads in the Lounge (among other places) with my fellow 'shockers. This is the single most defining moment of all my internet experiences, and I am sad to see the forum gone, and none of the 'replacements' will ever be quite the same. |
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Jul 13 2007, 08:30 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Arrrgggghhhhh!
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Jul 13 2007, 09:40 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I believe that day had the greatest number of Dumpshockers logged on simultaneously up until the introduction of SR4 eclipsed it. I wasn't online at the time, I was going in and out of the US and caught up in the border closing business for about a week. I do recall a lot of concern about Dumpshockers known to live in the effected areas who no one had heard from. But I also recall some "You guys had it coming" remarks. Typical Lounge talk.
Post pumper! ;)
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Jul 13 2007, 12:21 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
I remember Lounge thread either being nice places to discuss perhaps some interesting piece of SR-related news, or a private shouting match between a handful of posters. Overall I don't miss it. The 'problem' with DSF members (and Shadowrun players in general, IMO) is that we tend to be intellectuals who don't back down from philosophical fights. That has a way of getting ugly.
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Jul 13 2007, 03:42 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I came to the conclusion that many DSers are GMs who have a bit of a God complex and tend to forget that though they master their own little SR universe, they are interacting with the GMs who are Godlike themself.
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Jul 13 2007, 07:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 197 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,542 |
I'm almost embarrassed to admit this but I played with a group who all had no steady girlfriends, no real jobs to speak of <min. wage>, lived in the same apartment complex, so we played three to five sessions a week. We did this for about four years. We were sort of like WoW & EQ hardcore gamers except with pen & paper. Three of our SR games had rotating GMs. It was pretty sweet while it lasted. Then it came to halt when one guy got married, another graduated college and got a real job w/ a live-in girlfriend, I got a girlfriend and got married, and the other two plugged into EQ, DAoC, and then WoW. We've tried to get back together a few times but we're lucky if we can meet twice a year now. So we usually don't. Now I'm sad. :( |
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Jul 13 2007, 09:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 197 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,542 |
Ah, no. And if you disagree with me I shall smote your ruin upon the mountain! :evil: |
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