 How to have female players enjoy an SR Game ? |
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 Jul 9 2007, 11:49 PM
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Prime Runner  Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665  |
I know one female gamer who left to her own devices will always play a Dwarf Rigger drug addict/dealer. Always. Sure, I know another who wants to ride around on or be a pretty unicorn in every single game (seriously), but I don't think it's really coherent to say that women in general want anything in particular from Shadowrun.
I know one man who absolutely refuses to be s factionless criminal working professionally for the highest bidder. He damnds that the enemies he faces off against be villainous and that his own actions be heroic in return. I know another man whose characters will, left to their own devices, eat humans - and needless to say I keep these players in different campaigns. And that's important. different players, male or female, want different stuff out of a campaign. Something I seriously do with all beginning games is to ask each player to nominate three cities that they would like to make characters in and run out of, and then talk about what they want to do in each city. Then I get the players to talk to each other about what it is that they want to do and to find some common ground that they can agree on. Sometimes this means that the PCs end up being Sun Warriors in Tenochitlan solving X Files for the Aztlan government. Sometimes this ends up with the players fronting Australian Anarchists who travel around the Indian Ocean trying to bring down The Man. Sometimes this ends up with the players being low-rent trouble shooters in London - whatever. Once all the players can agree on a shared vision, then you can get players to start taking some interest. Saying "You're all punk criminals for hire in Seattle" may or may not work for any particular player. -Frank |
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Jul 9 2007, 11:53 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Man, now I want to have a pretty girl riding a pretty unicorn who's being menaced by a drug dealer. The heroic guy could swoop in to save her, and the fourth guy could eat him. And then the unicorn, just to be safe.
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Jul 10 2007, 12:34 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
man, do you know how hard unicorns are to find? there's like one.
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Jul 10 2007, 12:38 AM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
I bet it's because they're f'ing DELICIOUS.
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Jul 10 2007, 12:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 197 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,542 |
NOOOOO!!! Damn you Adarael! You beat me to the punch! Now the only hope I have is to sig that! But I can't because I'm stuck in 1999. :S Kudos. <Grumbling.> |
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Jul 10 2007, 01:55 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
No... but it dosent mean I wont.
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Jul 10 2007, 09:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 29-March 07 Member No.: 11,342 |
Thanks for all those replies, it took me quite some time to read everything.
For some part, it seems i have failed to explain my point, but i also realise that i have more options at my disposal that i first thought. Anyway, the debate is realy interesting, i'll keep you informed when i'll run my "all ladies" game in a couple weeks. Thanks again, Treehugger |
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 Jul 10 2007, 09:26 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Make your point then! Then we can go through it again. It will be like a new thread on a similar subject.
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Jul 10 2007, 10:34 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
The sample size is quite large. Just type "yaoi" into google's searchbox and you'll find millions of such women, though this may be a slightly biased method. But it isn't incorrect to state that the Yaoi genre is, with a few exceptions, almost exclusively written for women by women.
I think that it is much more fun to test their maternal instincts and introduce the Invae at the same time, with Missing Blood. "You're the cutest little abomination, yes you are." |
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Jul 10 2007, 01:29 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
Some interesting insights here, I'll definately try and incorporate some of these next time I'm running a SR game with female players.
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Jul 10 2007, 03:40 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,387 Joined: 31-December 06 Member No.: 10,502 |
One thing you might want to try. Read some of the novels. I haven't read the more recent ones. But back in the day the novels tended to get epic pretty fast.
Note that this isn't because the characters were particularily epic! Characters like Dirk Montgomery and Kham (actually a lot of them, a whole lot of them now that I think about it) would come in at 400BP or less I think. It's just that a core concept of the old shadowrun was the "gears within gears" thing. So people would quickly get more and more caught up in deep plots and pretty soon you're saving the planet or talking with a dragon, Damien knight, Deuce or whatever. And the characters tended to have flavor. I'd suggest trying to capture a bit of that. One of my favorite things about Shadowrun is it's depth. In other games often you could summarize the whole plot of what's going on in a short paragraph. In SR it can take pages just to explain the people involved and their motivations, and more to explain the backstory (a lot of which is provided for you). So go have some fun with the elves or the other movers and shakers of the SR world. And for goodness sakes change up the fashions! Even the corpers are making it interesting! Give page 46 a read and then take it to heart. The corpers you're trying to blend in with are among the fashion forward crowed (especially the females). |
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Jul 10 2007, 03:40 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
just be aware that females are tricky and not to be trusted. they may, if you're not careful, use wiles on you.
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Jul 10 2007, 04:15 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
And sometimes, girls you meet playing Shadowrun will fucking marry you. No kiddin'. Watch out for that sort of thing, man.
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Jul 10 2007, 04:20 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 19-August 04 Member No.: 6,573 |
I know exactly what you're talking about! |
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Jul 10 2007, 04:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
What is "yaoi"?
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Jul 10 2007, 04:55 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Explicit shounen-ai.
~J |
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Jul 10 2007, 05:05 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
what Kage meant to say was "it's robots and nurses and shit".
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Jul 10 2007, 05:22 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,020 Joined: 11-March 02 From: The MSP 'Plex Member No.: 2,326 |
And of course by "wiles" you simply mean b00bs right MFB? :D :D Seriously though, sit down with the girls of your group before a session (hell have the rest of the guys sit in for idea bouncing) and hear what they'd specifically want to pull into the the "SR Universe" to make it more "fun" for them. You might get some overlapping ideas, or at least some give-and-take from both sides for a *gasp* compromise with out sacrificing the "SR Feel" or whatever that you have already. We can spout out all the conjecture and pull random ideas out of our asses to appease you and your situation but unless you ask your players what THEY want, you'll be posting to this thread over and over again. Once you know what specific problems they have come back and address it with us again and I'm certain people will be more than willing to pipe in and give their opinions... p.s. as a chick I like the backstories, the "downtime" of my characters as much (if not more so) than the actual runs themselves. I think Talia Invierno gave you a great example or at least a way to make it exciting in the previous posts for all players and more "appealing" to the women of your group. If nothing else, let the "epic" aspect of the stories build from there as opposed from the actual runs themselves. |
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Jul 10 2007, 05:26 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
When a man who looks like a lady loves another man who looks like a lady... ~J |
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Jul 10 2007, 06:14 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
Darn it, I have enough trouble just getting the guys to enjoy the game!
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Jul 10 2007, 06:31 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
there is nothing simple about the proper care and exercise of jubbly love bumbles! |
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Jul 10 2007, 06:32 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
How would you know?
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Jul 10 2007, 07:00 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
well, i mean, i heard.
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Jul 10 2007, 09:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 197 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,542 |
<Sweating profusely Lazarus fights not to type a sexist comment. A little devil looking like Larry Flint pops up on his left shoulder.> LFD: Come on do it! Type the Predator reference. If it bleeds- <A little angel looking like Tipper Gore pops up on his right shoulder.> TGA: Shame on you Lazarus! Have you been listening to that awful Twisted Sister? Lazarus: No Ma'am Cannibal Corpse. LFD: Oh Stripped, Raped, and Strangled rules! Let's put on I Cum Blood. Lazarus: Dude not now. TGA: (Shocked Outrage) My word! No wonder you're having these nasty thoughts. You go and read Ariel Levy or Jessica Valenti right this minute! LFD: They're both pretty hot! Hey so are you baby. LFD saunters over to TGA and starts massaging her shoulders. LFD: You seem tense baby. Why don't you let the Flint man stoke your love furnace. Lazarus: (Sour Look) Dude that sucked. LFD: F**k you punk! You can’t even type a slightly sexist joke on a blog where no one knows you in real f**king life without making some stupid ass skit about it. Which sucks a ** BTW! And stop using those stupid stars when type curse words. Have some balls man! Everyone knows what’re typing for f**k’s sake! See you did it again! God you suck! TGA: Speaking of sucking. LFD: Yeah baby. LFD & TGA have a furious make session on top of Lazarus's computer desk. Disgusted and defeated Lazarus ends the post |
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Jul 10 2007, 09:18 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
*dies laughing* :rotfl:
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