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panther?, in the series of very very big rifles...

hobgoblin View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 01:16 AM Post #1
panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242	http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm

eidolon View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 03:05 AM Post #2
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Buster View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 03:13 AM Post #3
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lunchbox311 View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 03:15 AM Post #4
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 168 Joined: 23-April 07 From: Aurora, CO Member No.: 11,514	This is sexier..... 25mm rifle * Caliber: 25 x 59 mm * Operation: Short recoil operation, semi-automatic * Overall length: 46 inches (1168 mm) * Feed device: 5 round detachable box magazine * Weight: 33.2 lb (15 kg) * Muzzle velocity: 2600 ft/s (790 m/s) * Max effective range: 3000 m * Features: M1913 optical rail, BORS ballistic computer, monopod socket * Accessories: Dual-chamber detachable muzzle brake or suppressor system; detachable bipod and carry handle

Buster

Jul 13 2007, 03:24 AM

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QUOTE (lunchbox311)

This is sexier.....

25mm rifle

With Chanel No 50 cal ammo... Blue pastel ammo is soooo 80's.

lunchbox311

Jul 13 2007, 03:30 AM

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QUOTE (lunchbox311 @ Jul 12 2007, 10:15 PM)

This is sexier.....

25mm rifle

With Chanel No 50 cal ammo... Blue pastel ammo is soooo 80's.

50 cal?

no no no

25 mm

:D

here is a comparison

for reference 50 cal is the same as 12.7 mm

comparison

Buster View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 12:44 PM Post #7
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869	<rolls eyes> I forgot about all the people with Asperger's in this crowd. Here's the handicapped accessible deconstruction of the joke: "Chanel No. 5" is a famous perfume from the 80's. By saying "Chanel No. 50 cal", I was making fun of the gay 80's pastel colors of the ammo in the picture. "Chanel No. 25 mm" just isn't as funny as "Chanel No. 50 cal". I stand by my original pun. Next up, Robin Williams with a socioeconomic analysis of why an impression of an african-american preacher is still funny after all these years.

Lindt View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 01:06 PM Post #8
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Buster View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 03:24 PM Post #9
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eidolon View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 04:30 PM Post #10
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Lindt View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 05:45 PM Post #11
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redne

Jul 13 2007, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE (lunchbox311)

50 cal?

no no no

25 mm

:D

here is a comparison

for reference 50 cal is the same as 12.7 mm

comparison

Well, no. That's a wrong 25mm. The specs said "Caliber: 25 x 59 mm" and since .50 BMG (pictured in the comparison) is also known as "12.7 × 99 mm NATO", I'd say the gun doesn't fire the monster in the picture.

EDIT: It doesn't fire some 25mm cannon round, it "only" fires 25mm grenades. It is Barrett XM109 Payload Rifle.

TheDrake

Jul 13 2007, 06:34 PM

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You're right. 25x59 is a grenade type.

QUOTE (Wikipedia)

The 25 mm grenade is a caliber of explosive ammunition used in some modern grenade launchers.

Examples of weapons designed to launch 25 mm grenades are the experimental XM25, the Barrett XM109 payload rifle, and the XM307 ACSW. The original use for this round was for the OCSW, now known as the XM307 ACSW. Later, a low velocity variant of the OCSW round was chosen for the XM25,[1] which is derived from the XM29 OICW.

25 mm grenades are armed after launch, after traveling a safe distance. Many types explode on impact, but others are designed to explode in mid-air after traveling a certain distance - these are used to hit targets around corners, or to clear entrenched positions.

Edit: Beaten. :(

Buster

Jul 13 2007, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE (redne)

EDIT: It doesn't fire some 25mm cannon round, it "only" fires 25mm grenades. It is Barrett XM109 Payload Rifle.

Ohmygod I have to get one of those. How much do they cost and which Walmart sells them?

Buster View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 07:45 PM Post #15
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869	About the M107: "It became legendary in the first Gulf War for disabling Iraqi armored personnel carriers from a mile away. Fighters in the Bosnian Army used just one .50 caliber rifle to great effect in fending off Serb forces in Srebrenica during the Bosnian War of the early 1990s. Florin Krasniqi and his associates acquired dozens of the rifles in the late '90s for use in the Kosovo War. They found that they afforded a psychological advantage, once the Serbs and the international press discovered that the Kosovo Liberation Army forces were armed with Barretts." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Firearms_Company But, how many GMs on this forum would ban it from their games because it's too powerful?

Caine Hazen

Jul 13 2007, 07:47 PM

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Pffft. I hear you're only allowed two Rams and one Bronco this year, though.

Are Mustang still on the protected list? What about Rondo (cause that sounds like something you should be able to hunt)?

eidolon

Jul 13 2007, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE (Buster)

But, how many GMs on this forum would ban it from their games because it's too powerful?

Ban it? No.

Smack a bitch for thinking that they can carry it around under their long coat and enter buildings with it, and then whining when they suffer the consequences? Yes.

Buster View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 08:22 PM Post #18
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869	But it's an invisible M107. Also you can't feel it. LOL.

Shrike30 View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 09:02 PM Post #19
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98	The thing that's most impressive about that 20mm rifle to me is the optional suppressor. I don't have a problem with characters having an enormous boomstick. Sometimes, you just need an assault cannon, you know? Any time your run has enough planning involved that you can drag a 2 meter long weapon into a position where it'll be useful, you deserve to have it.

CyberKender View Member Profile	Jul 13 2007, 11:32 PM Post #20
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lunchbox311

Jul 14 2007, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE (redne @ Jul 13 2007, 12:22 PM)

QUOTE (lunchbox311)

50 cal?

no no no

25 mm

:D

here is a comparison

for reference 50 cal is the same as 12.7 mm

comparison

Well, no. That's a wrong 25mm. The specs said "Caliber: 25 x 59 mm" and since .50 BMG (pictured in the comparison) is also known as "12.7 × 99 mm NATO", I'd say the gun doesn't fire the monster in the picture.

EDIT: It doesn't fire some 25mm cannon round, it "only" fires 25mm grenades. It is Barrett XM109 Payload Rifle.

Well I stand corrected about type of ammo. I forgot about the length measurement. Still a 25mm X anything is probably scary.

What are the fundamental differences between a cannon round of that size and a grenade launcher of that size? Powder? That is my guess considering the length difference. Which means the grenade launcher will not fly as far or hit as hard. Still 3000 meters is almost 2 miles.

Also... I know it is the xm109 payload rifle... I just did not link to the article.... silly me... just coping and pasting the specs. O well... live and learn. :D

Edited with more info and details and such.

kzt

Jul 14 2007, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE (lunchbox311)

What are the fundamental differences between a cannon round of that size and a grenade launcher of that size? Powder?

Cannon round is typically a lot faster and has a better ballistic coefficient IIRC. So it's got a longer range, hits harder (why there are real APDS round for them - not SR type APDS) and and is more accurate. IIRC, it has a smaller explosive filler than a 40mm grenade.

I'm not sure the rifles we are talking about fire the same kind of rounds at the same velocities as, for example, a Brad fires from it's M242. The round from a Brad is moving at 3600 to 5000 FPS, with the projectile weighing 3.4 to 6.5 ounces.

lunchbox311

Jul 14 2007, 02:03 AM

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I'm not sure the rifles we are talking about fire the same kind of rounds at the same velocities as, for example, a Brad fires from it's M242. The round from a Brad is moving at 3600 to 5000 FPS, with the projectile weighing 3.4 to 6.5 ounces.

I am sure they do not. It is not really feasible to have that much power in a man portable package (hell a bradley firing its cannon causes the whole thing to move a little.)

IIRC from the article the xm109 was scrapped because the recoil was too much to manage.

I think I also remember talking to some military buddies who knew some Special Forces troops who tested the thing and it apparently almost (or may have) broke their arms.

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