 Astral Combat base Attribute, Why Willpower and not Logic |
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 Jul 15 2007, 08:00 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 26-December 06 Member No.: 10,465  |
I noticed, recently, when looking through the rules that astral combat uses Willpower plus Astral Combat skill. Because, in mundane melee combat, Agility is used in addition to (Weapon Skill), and Logic replaces Agility as a stat when astrally projecting, does logic actually do anything for an astrally projecting mage of non-Logic based drain tradition? If it is as I think, doesn't that create an underpowered stat in Logic while boosting the usefulness of Willpoer beyond what it should be? My initial thought on the matter is that Logic and not Willpower should be used as the base attribute for all astral combat checks, at the very least, while astrally projecting. My search into the matter didn't turn up any material, so my apologies if there was a previous post concerning this. I'm intereseted to see what everyone has to say on the matter.
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Jul 15 2007, 08:28 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
Yeah, logic doesn't do much for an astrally projecting mage and generally pales in comparison to willpower for most characters, not just mages. On the other hand, logic affects Arcana checks and a mage's maximum number of active foci. This makes logic into a bit of a niche stat, but at least it has a pretty good niche, since it's a great stat for any characters who wish to design their own spells, foci and ally spirits.
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Jul 15 2007, 08:32 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
You roll it during Astral Infiltration tests. Considering how much of Astral Projection is simply recon, that's a big deal. Willpower is used during Astral Combat because of Legacy. In the olden days, Logic and Intuition were the same stat, Intelligence. And Since Intelligence was aleady your Astral Movement Rate and your Astral Initiative, it was already overpowered on the Astral - so linking it to Astral Combat was considered to be gilding the lily. Willpower doesn't really do a heck of a lot except resist spells (and a multitude of spells are actually resisted with Body or Intuition anyway), so having Willpower do something in astral combat is a perfectly reasonable bone to throw it. --- Honestly, the attributes of Strength and Willpower are real underperformers. Things would probably be better if we dropped them, folding their abilities into Body and Charisma respectively. -Frank |
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Jul 15 2007, 09:13 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I could live with that. |
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Jul 15 2007, 10:22 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
so we seperate intelligence into willpower/intuition, and fold willpower right into charisma?
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Jul 15 2007, 10:26 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Not quite. We separate Intelligence into Logic and Intuition and then we fold Willpower into Charisma. Intelligence was a lot better than the old Willpower and Charisma were, and 4th edition responded to that by hacking Intelligence in half. But the fact is that both of the pieces are individually better than Willpower or Charisma. Generally speaking, Charisma is just a bonus to a single Skill Group and Willpower is just a defense roll against an attack form that is uncommon and will probably just kill you anyway (manabolt). -Frank |
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Jul 15 2007, 10:29 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
wow, im a moron.... wtf was i thinking?
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Jul 15 2007, 10:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 9-December 06 From: the Maaatlock-Expressway! Member No.: 10,326 |
If you fold willpower into charisma, you rob about 90% of players of their favourite dump-stat!
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Jul 15 2007, 10:48 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
You'd be losing both dump stats, what with folding Strength into Body as well. ;) :D |
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Jul 15 2007, 11:13 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
I have no idea what i'd do in that case. I already dump both of those as well as logic (and taking cerebral booster 2).
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Jul 16 2007, 04:28 AM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
:eek:
Please tell me that you're joking, please? :cyber: |
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Jul 16 2007, 05:09 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
Astral combat is linked to logic if you are projecting, only dual beings use willpower.
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