 Program Cost, How much does it cost? |
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 Jul 27 2007, 10:03 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 25-March 07 Member No.: 11,306  |
Hi,
I'm co-GM with a couple of other guys and we have a disagreement on the cost of programs. I think you pay for the rating up to rating 3 and then add the cost for for rating 4, 5, and 6. One of the other GM thinks you should pay at the higher cost for rating 4 and above. So for a Hacking program could cost two different ways. Stealth (rating 4): (3 * 500) nuyen + (1*1000) nuyen = 2,500 nuyen or Stealth (rating 4): 4 * 1000 nuyen = 4000 nuyen Any thoughts on which is correct? Thanks! |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:06 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Stealth ( Rating 4 ) costs 4,000 :nuyen:.
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Jul 27 2007, 10:07 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
It's the latter. :) You don't buy programs in partial upgrades, it's an all-or-nothing investment. You either have a Rating 4 program or you don't. This is practically a "universal truth" for everything in the gear.
If you're upgrading, you simulate that by only paying the difference between the two. So going from a Rating 3 program of that type to a Rating 4 would cost you 2,500¥ (4,000¥ for the Rating 4 minus the 1,500¥ for the Rating 3). In the end, it still cost you 4,000¥. And, actually, I don't know if upgrading applies to software like this since they'd be two completely different programs. If that's the case, then it'd still be 4,000¥ for the Rating 4 while you'd also have the Rating 3 for the 1,500¥ you originally paid. |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:17 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: 24-July 07 From: Canada Member No.: 12,350 |
Oh, I'm much more evil. I don't allow them to pay the difference when upgrading programs, they have to pay the whole new cost.
The store will not let you "return" opened software! |
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Jul 27 2007, 10:40 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I'd probably let them pay the difference for rating 1-32 or 4-5, but not if they're making the jump. It seems to me that if you're in the same "grade" for software it's possible to get lite versions and full versions of the same programs.
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Jul 28 2007, 03:58 AM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
They could sell the old rating 3 to someone else, and use the proceeds to buy the rating 6... or the seller of the rating 6 could take the rating 3 program in trade and resell it...
Since that can happen, I don't have a big problem letting players simply pay the difference... :) |
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Jul 28 2007, 04:55 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869 |
Even Microsoft gives you a discount for upgrades. :( |
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Jul 28 2007, 06:37 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Microsoft would hardly qualify for rating A corp in shadowrun by its size. Its not even extraterritorial. You think bigger corps would play nicer?
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Aug 3 2007, 03:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 30-June 06 From: Memphis, TN Member No.: 8,811 |
I'm sure that Microsoft would be an A corp if it wasn't for that "company being destroyed by a volcano" thing. Speaking of which who is the Microsoft of SR4? The company that writes the software that most people use in business and at home or has the market fragmented a bit more? |
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Aug 3 2007, 03:11 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
it's a bit more fragmented, but i think renraku, MCT, and evo are pretty big. the thing is, the really big corps you can't really point and say "this is what they do", and that especially applies to AAA, because you don't get to AAA status by doing just one thing. for example, you can say that Aztechnology is big in biotech stuff and they supply a lot of the world's food. they also happen to be a leader in cyberzombies. and blood magic/magic in general. as i recall, they also own the stuffer shack chain. but that's just the tip of the iceberg. they own companies that make almost any product you could imagine. so you can sorta point and say "corp X is a big player in this area" but you have to understand that when it comes to the AAA corps, they're involved in almost every area.... and in many cases, the market is much more fragmented. even the areas the AAAs specialise in aren't without competition... Aztechnology is a biotech giant, but Universal Omnitech is also a biotech giant. MCT, renraku, and evo may be big computer companies, but the only reason transys neuronet isn't still it's own independant company doing a lot of the same stuff is because they merged with novatech to become evo (and didn't just get absorbed or anything like, they're actually as much in control as novatech is) so yeah, i'd say the market is a lot more fragmented. |
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Aug 3 2007, 08:57 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
One nitpick ... Transys and Novatech merged into NeoNet, while Evo is the rejuvenation of Yamatetsu. ;) |
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Aug 3 2007, 09:08 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
good point =S i appear to have gotten my corps crossed XD |
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Aug 3 2007, 09:09 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
In the free software world, upgrades are far more common than complete package replacement, even when crossing a development plateau. Frequently you can just do the equivalent of going from rating 3 to rating 6. Of course, just as often you can't.
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Aug 4 2007, 12:52 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
For example ...? |
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Aug 6 2009, 05:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
Casting raise dead thread
So, is their an "official rule" on the subject or is open to each GM? |
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Aug 6 2009, 06:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 30-October 07 From: Sadly, NE Member No.: 13,962 |
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Aug 6 2009, 12:52 PM)  Casting raise dead thread So, is their an "official rule" on the subject or is open to each GM? It's exactly as the book says. A rating 4 program costs rating x 1000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) , and there are no specific rules regarding upgrading software, so you must buy a new version (and you keep both or sell the old one or whatever). You're free to rule either of those differently as GM, however. |
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Aug 6 2009, 06:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
Thanks, that's what I was afraid of.
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Aug 6 2009, 11:05 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,838 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,669 |
QUOTE Transys and Novatech merged into NeoNet, It's NeoNET, not NeoNet. The 'NET' stands for Novatech, Erikson, and Transys. |
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Aug 7 2009, 07:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 386 Joined: 28-November 08 From: Germany Member No.: 16,638 |
If we're nitpicking already, IIRC it was Erika. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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