 Augmented Sex, "The cyberpenis thread" |
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 Jul 28 2007, 09:08 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320  |
Because it was taking over the ask the developers section.
First things first, the capacity listed for breast augmentations and cyberphalluses are not how much capacity they have, merely how much capacity they take up. So no implanted breast guns for you. It does, however, shed light on another possibility. You can install a cyberdick wherever you felt like it. You can install more than one. There's no real reason it HAS to replace your existing equipment. With that in mind, I ask, is there then the female equivalent? A cyber-vagina? Also, multiple sets of breasts are possible. Why do I bring this up? Is this pure juvenile bullshit? Possibly. But In a game with bunraku Parlors, I think it's worth discussing some of the new kinks cyberfetishists can get up to. OK, so you can get a gland, auto-injector, nanites or other mod to chemically alter your sex fluids. What kind of new STDs are we going to introduce? Stepping aside from just delivering poisons (boring) I think a goodly number of people might lace their sex glands with endorphin releasers, to improve their partner's fun. A woman who's fluids dosed her male partner with SR4 Viagra could keep hiim up all night long. And an unscrupulous predator might lace their juices with something addictive, so that you HAD to keep coming back for more sex. |
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Jul 28 2007, 09:20 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Read Transmetropolitan?
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Jul 28 2007, 09:21 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Yes, Yes I do.
And the first thing I noticed in that regard was... Nano-cameras! |
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Jul 28 2007, 09:22 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
... :embarassed:
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Jul 28 2007, 09:32 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Serial killer with an orgasm-activated penis shotgun.
And we must have nipple lasers; it's the law! :cyber: |
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Jul 28 2007, 09:34 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Nipple lasers? What are you, an erotic cat burglar?
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Jul 28 2007, 09:38 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
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Jul 28 2007, 09:59 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Just don't catch HSV-5.
-Frank |
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Jul 28 2007, 10:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando Member No.: 815 |
Nah man, I just don't let it catch me.
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Jul 28 2007, 11:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234 |
Well, I would just make this general comment as a start:
As judged by the obscene amounts of money and popularity porn and drugs for sexual disfunctions rack in RL, any kind of medical augmentation that enhances any facet of sexual function and/or experience (and/or makes it under the command of conscious will, for males) is going to be EXTREMELY popular, widespread, eagerly researched and funded, and wanted in any kind of society with realistic humans that has the technological know-how, and extremely plausible and appropriate in any kind of sci-fi fiction that wants to be realistic for a 13+ audience. Seriously folks, this is just a primal human fantasy fulfilled as immortality and virtual reality. If humans get the know-how, it is going to happen. |
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Jul 28 2007, 11:46 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
The question is: Why do shadowrunners need stats for them? No one's saying such devices wouldn't exist. It's that they exist in texts made for shadowrunners (metagaming-wise especially).
What's next? Rules for going to the bathroom because going to the bathroom is something that obviously exists in the Sixth World, so it's foolish to assume such rules don't exist and no reason not to include them. That's the apparent logic being used here. Me, I'd rather have had that wasted space used by something more appropriate to the actual game. |
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Jul 28 2007, 11:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Well, say you want to hold multiple small objects in your many cybervaginas. Or are playing a character that embraces a different definition of bisexual. Or your girlfriend is staring over your shoulder as you make the character and makes several "suggestions" to you.
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Jul 28 2007, 11:56 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
With the new gear in Aug,,,one can create of hermaphrodite character, very easily.
Why you ask,,depends upon the concept,,,someone like a shaman/shamaness of the Seductress or the the Wild Male......being a bi sexed person,,,ones behaviors can go male or female. :D |
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Jul 28 2007, 11:59 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
And these rules address any of that, how? Other than saying you lost some Essence and had to pay a token amount of cash. That's it. Any "special uses" are house rules that a GM has to come up with on the fly, just like they would have without the implants. They add nothing to the game and take away things that actually could have added something tangible. |
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Jul 29 2007, 12:10 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
Ok, let me give you an example for a full body replacement cyborg then. Basically this individual have a wasting disease that has killed of all external muscles and also destroyed his sexual organs and all his hairfolicles have rotted away. Enter the Cyberbody "Almost Human" body replacement suite. Cyberarms Cyberlegs Cybertorso Cyberskull Synthetic Hair Penile Implant With all the above he can now function as a normal human again, almost. And I dont know about you but that last item would be something I would like to have if it had been destroyed. Sure, one can crack jokes about multiple sexual organs and how one can get a penis the size of a horse but those jokes will be old in no time just as balooning titties and other stuff will - But all things DO have a place in the setting and therefore it should exist. Breast implants can change their size and thus making it useful by those "Cyberfaces" that use cybernetic body mods to change appearance. |
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Jul 29 2007, 12:10 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
That is your POV (Point of View) not all those here share that same exact POV. To each their own. One can build a concept character, which might mean not everything is optimized for shadowrunning. |
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Jul 29 2007, 12:16 AM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
They add realism? These are things that should exist in the setting, I'd say. I honestly skimmed through them and thought nothing of it until I saw your post in the Q&A thread. You might think it's wasted space but it's very little space. And it even gave me an idea for a more humourous run, which I think will be really good for the game as a change of pace. Can I ask what your group is generally like? I haven't introduced Augmentation to my group, yet. I have a player who will probably find cyber-genitalia hilarious and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if she outfitted her character with a dick, knowing her. But she is a good role-player. It wont be for puerile humour. Do you think your group will treat these rules in an immature way when they see them, or do any of them have issues with sex that will cause them to be offended? I'm just curious as this seems different to how someone might have complained about raptor legs and skates being wasted space because they didn't like them. (They're just a random example, btw - I actually really like them both). -K. |
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Jul 29 2007, 12:20 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I have no idea why you people think I'm offended by their inclusion. I just think it's wasted and stole space for things that would be more appropriate for the actual game. "I have a cybercock" is all these rules give you. That's it. Nothing tangible, nothing useful, nothing that you couldn't have said before these "rules" existed. And what did we lose? Whatever material was cut from the sourcebook to make room for these things. That's material that I'd have rather seen than this completely and totally useless filler. Even fluff text or more shadowtalk would have been better than saying "your tits cost 0.2 Essence." |
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Jul 29 2007, 12:38 AM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
Well the reason that I asked whether there were specific reasons for objecting to these on a sexual basis is because you haven't complained about the equal amounts of space given to fibreoptic hair, nano-tattoos, silky skin, chloroplast skin, horn implants, and others. I mean the shaped dermal implants take up more space than that given to breast implants and they have zero game effect. It's just "you can have your dermal plates in blue" stuff (note to the writers - I'm only using this to prove a point, I love blue dermal plates sort of fluff stuff. :) ) And it was also triggered by your comments in the last thread where you likened the inclusion of this stuff to puerile behaviour and said something like "what next ? Fart gags and gay jokes." I get neither of those in my group and don't percieve a similarity between those and the genitalia details in the book. Asking whether there were particular issues seems entirely reasonable. If there are, then the debate will probably just end with everyone saying "don't put anything in the game you're not comfortable with and we all hope you have fun." But complaining about it being wasted space will provoke a lot of people to dispute your argument. |
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Jul 29 2007, 12:43 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
<shrugs> Fibreoptic hair and nano-tattoos don't lead to sophomoric, poorly tasted "humor." Hence associating them with equally sophomoric humor. And, again, is why I asked: What's next? Rules for taking a shit? It's a natural thing that exists in the Sixth World, so let's waste a few pages in Arsenal on it since there's no reason at all NOT to! <-- The last part being the sole explanation you people are giving for why this stuff should have been added. And it's asinine.
To each their own. Fancy yourself some kind of modern, sophisticated individual all you want. The fact remains: These rules add nothing but introducing sophomoric and poorly-tasted humor into the game, and opens up doors for the exact kind of rules I mentioned in the last paragraph. The next time you complain about something important or useful being missing from the rules, though, just remember: You wanted those sex implants in the book instead. |
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Jul 29 2007, 12:45 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
I am old enough to have watched a Late Night Talk Show hosted by Johnny Carson. Once an extremely attractive blonde female come on, she was exceptionally endowed in the upper torso, wearing a low cut dress that display alot of flesh.
She was talking about most men never looked at her face, their gaze stopped at her chest. Johnny pish poshed that. She then had Johnny look at Doc the band leader off to the side, she then asked Johnny "What color are my eyes?" Johnny who had been tapping his pencil on the desk, suddenly stopped tapping it and threw it up in the air. He had no clue what her eye color was. The audience erupted into laughter. You can use this as an example of a disguise of sorts, if your character has large endowments, most males will not recall her face. :) As to why the rules for such are there, why not? To me they make the game more complete. In RL such surgeries occur on a scale you can hardly imagine, so would it not be in use in 2070. As for the two to three paragraphs that they occupy in the manual. *Shrugs* There is alot of things not in that manual, but then the manual would be bigger than a Webster dictionary. |
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Jul 29 2007, 01:06 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
Wow I guess im getting old, not to sound the anti prude or anything but as mentioned in past post about "grit". Whats more gritty then sex?
Sex, drugs and rock and roll or in 2070 Sex,drugs,magic,AR, dragons and electropunkrapafusion. It's gritty fluff it's ok to make fart jokes and laugh at yourselves sometimes too. I Remeber about 10 years ago a site for another cyber style game touched on this subject with such things as penile monospike and midnight lady with poison glands, SR simply following in history of implants in games. I've had players actually discuss these items as implants...way back during first edition...we were much younger then and told more fart jokes ;P |
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Jul 29 2007, 01:38 AM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
But the genitalia wont with my group, either. If you find that the presence of this stuff leads to moronic humour in your group, then I suspect that it's your group as all the posts here by others so far are very mature. Note that I said that it doesn't lead to moronic humour. I chose not to use the phrase "poorly tasted" that you did, because I think it's the subject matter that you have a problem with which I don't, not the sophistication of the humour which is what I care about. And that brings us back to your (or your groups') own feelings about this subject matter. I.e. it's not a general concern of others. The lines that you wrote in bold and underlined, stated that the question was why something with no practical rules value took up space in the book. That was dishonest. Your issue is with the subject matter, not the rules applications, as is evidenced by your reply to my question. I doubt adding practical rules applications to genital implants would make you feel better about the space usage, would it? The issue here is that most of us haven't ascribed great importance to their presence in the book. We've noted that two very short paragraphs have covered these things and then accepted it with varying degrees of nonchalance. Your comments like:
suggest a preconception about the subject matter that isn't shared by many of us here. Incidentally, "taking a shit" is a poor analogy because we can assume the process hasn't changed in 2070. But this is detailing something new in the setting - a difference between our world and SR2070. Detailing the features of a world that set it apart from our own is what gives value to a sourcebook. I don't like being called asinine and I interpret any statement that what I say is asinine to mean just that. The "sole explanation for this stuff being added " is not "it's a natural thing that exists in the Sixth World so let's waste a few pages on it." Firstly, it's not wasted if it has positives, and this case it both adds realism by showing that the world is thought out and goes beyond things that simply add dice to your shooting rules. It also gives GM's a price guide should the subject ever come up in a game (and far stranger things have). Secondly, it doesn't have any real negatives that I see. You're introducing hyperbole (as well as insulting people) in saying "waste a few pages" when we're talking about three short paragraphs in a 176 page book. Besides, it's very clear from your lack of concern about other non-rules application material that your concern does not have to do with wasted space, but the subject matter, so you should stop using this as a rationale for the material being bad. I attempted to short-cut all this contention before it began by suggesting you drop saying that it shouldn't be in there for reasons of space or rules applications, and just say outright that you had a problem with the subject matter, in which case I think everyone in this thread so far would have said "it's your game and you shouldn't include things that you or your players are uncomfortable with." That still is my attitude to this. But clearly a lot of other people here don't have a problem with it. Either because it's no big deal (such as myself), they actually want to use this in game, or because humour is humour and if they can get a few laughs out of their character's girlfriend giving him a gift certificate to 'Whole New You.' then they think that's a good thing.
You see, that just comes across as rude and patronising. What makes your tastes better than anothers?
Hey - I don't like Technomancers and don't have them in my game. Imagine how I feel when it comes to space usage! ;) |
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Jul 29 2007, 01:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 458 Joined: 28-March 05 From: NA/UCAS/IN/ Member No.: 7,246 |
Like someone mentioned earlier, since cybernetic arms, legs, replacement and improved body parts are available, it is obvious to me that cyber genitalia and breasts would obviously be readily available, and in some cultures (Sim actors and actresses, for example) it would be almost expected.
I mean, I could almost envision the advertising (Be ready right now when the moment strikes, without the side effects of Viagra 6!) The cyber breasts that inflate/deflate were seen momentarily in Terminator 3. Did any guy watching that not wish his girl had a pair of those? And what girl with large breasts doesn't wish that sometimes she could be a little smaller when she doesn't want the attention right then? Any man would want to add some length, girth, and hardness at his command. The "hard" part would be convincing him to let his implants take a break. As to the game effects, maybe they would have to be house ruled a little, but I think it could add atmosphere and be something that maybe adds to the player's take on the character's personality. But, imagine the face of the party with an extra 6 inches to add to a sexual attribute at their command. Even someone used to such things would take a moment to absorb the sudden presence. |
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Jul 29 2007, 01:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984 |
Actually the black box text on page 54 about Evo intrigues me more. I really want to make a gender shifting face. Having what ever gender suits hir mood or the situation. |
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