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Ol' Scratch
post Nov 17 2003, 07:55 AM
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Was this prior to 3rd edition with the assensing rules? It doesn't seem like it would be too long before his condition was discovered. Intelligence 6 character, TN4, perhaps has aura reading, centering, or perceptive edge. I regularly get 5+ successes with the I6 and only 1 of the above.

<just rolls his eyes> Hence the word "most." You do know what "most" means, right? It means "most." As in "not everyone, but the majority of people." As in "some people would be able to determine who and what he was." Got it now? Good.

And being dual-natured, he knew when others were perceiving him and could deal with those situations on a case-by-case basis.

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In creating the character?


No, in my wife painting her toenails red. :please: Of course in creating the character. What the bloody hell did you think I was referring to?

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It's not really reproduction but perpetuation of the species.  If it's such a superior life form, why aren't players begging to play ghouls?  Now vampires, I've seen many players desire to play.


Superior in that they don't have to wait 9 months to reproduce. Superior in that they can reproduce with just about any sentient being of a suitable nature they encounter. Superior in that they don't need two partners to create a new specimen. Superior in that their senses are heightened. Superior in that they are immune to VITAS.

Sure, they have some flaws, too... but he was a racist/supremist bastard. :)
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post Nov 17 2003, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 17 2003, 01:55 AM)
<just rolls his eyes> Hence the word "most."  You do know what "most" means, right?  It means "most."  As in "not everyone, but the majority of people."  As in "some people would be able to determine who and what he was."  Got it now?  Good.

Also as in most thought he was albino and the rest just thought him freakish, Dr. Condescending.

You do realize when you roll your eyes IRL people want to slap you up side the head? Do you think it's different because it's written. Of course you do, you know it's worse because it's a conscious act on your part to inflame.

If it only takes a simple action, roughly 1.5 seconds to assense, wouldn't it be prudent for the assenser to do the assensing while the assensee was not paying attention? Oh, I forgot, you never perform the biotech skill without checking every other second to see if you are being assensed. I hope the GM was giving you someTN mods to both the biotech roll and the perception test for not paying full attention to either. So you'd start losing patients through botch biotech rolls or by having your flaw discovered.

Oh, but hold on:
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And being dual-natured, he knew when others were perceiving him and could deal with those situations on a case-by-case basis.

<big eye roll> Riiight. Not a problem, you just dealt with it. Does someone have a shovel?

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No, in my wife painting her toenails red. :please:  Of course in creating the character.  What the bloody hell did you think I was referring to?

Well, you start your post by describing how you masked yourself from mundanes and completely overlooking magic, then list some skills, then state magic wasn't a concern. Maybe it was a low magic campaign? Maybe you were sleeping with the GM so that you would never encounter a magician at your clinic? The only way it makes sense is if you aren't a mage, but saying it wasn't a concern during chargen, when you were concerned about masking for mundanes, is a lie. You had to be concerned about magic detection when creating the character, you just couldn't do much about it in game. Yep, sleeping with the GM looks more and more likely. I hope your wife was the GM.:) Hey, then you paint her toenails as long as she let your ghoul go undiscovered. It all makes perfect sense.

And please, before you get your panties in a bind, understand I don't care how you decide to play. Have fun. IMO though, a person as smart as yourself seemed to downplay the major flaw of the character.
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post Nov 17 2003, 09:18 AM
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If I may intercede here a bit....

Rolling eyes may indeed be infamatory, but no more so than quoting, in parts, half of a person's post with a negative comment after each line. Tisoz, you started the rudeness, don't be so shocked that it bounces back, ESPECIALLY from the Doc... :P

Where as you are correct in that he wouldn't notice everytime he was assensed, he's quite right in his original post that 'most' people would never know of his condition. Even those assensing who could easily assume he was an Adept or something.

It was also quite clear in his first post that Magic, being of no concern, was a comment to his taking cyber/bioware and stating that the only negative is that he'd have to double essence loss (not a big deal if Magic isn't concerned). Adding a bunch of factors that prove Magic IS a concern, but out of context doesn't make him incorrect.

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post Nov 17 2003, 10:06 AM
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It's odd the last 3 posts I tried to make to this topic bounced me off line and I had to rewrite them. Maybe God is trying to tell me something.

Is it now improper etiquette to reply to specific contentions in a way that helps minimize misunderstanding? OK, the wife/GM was a bit over the top, but so was bringing his wife into it. I thought the rudeness started a bit earlier. I hate responding to anything Doctor Funkenstein posts because IMO he sees everything as a personal attack. Heck, I agree with much of what he spouts. [edit] And it was kind of boring while he was away. [/edit]

That is why I wasn't sure about the magic, just as I wasn't sure they were joking about a ghoul character in this proffession. Just about every time a character has received biotech a mage has been standing in line to try to finalize the healing. That's why this a ghoul street doc seems absurd to me, they are going to run into more magical types than your average ghoul.

Off topic, Sphynx, I like your calculator. One comment though. In the 'soft calculator when you get the DIMAP option, it is a bit misleading in saying the minimum skillwires needed instead of the minimum pulse needed. I caught it about the time I was creating a skillwire rating 1 character that was planning on using rating 6 skillsofts with DIMAP 5.
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post Nov 17 2003, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE (tisoz @ Nov 17 2003, 09:04 AM)
Does someone have a shovel?



No, but he's got teeth and a stomach.

Seriously, dude, grow a thicker skin.
Umm. All my best though, to each of you. :D
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post Nov 17 2003, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (tisoz)
If it only takes a simple action, roughly 1.5 seconds to assense, wouldn't it be prudent for the assenser to do the assensing while the assensee was not paying attention?

Often much more quickly than 1.5 seconds. Most assensers will have the ability to use sorcery, and everyone who can use sorcery in DF's game has an Increase Reflexes +3 spell active at all times.
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post Nov 18 2003, 01:03 AM
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I just wanna thank you girls for your bitch-slap posts. I had a crappy day at work and that gave me a giggle. After I had just told DanJ that childish retaliation could degenerate a thread into a flame war, I see you two slappin' away at each other. Granted, not a war exactly, but it made me laugh. Thanx.
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post Nov 19 2003, 12:31 AM
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Would it be useful/practical for a mage street doc/medic to have the spell for tailoring or costuming, or whatever it was? He or she could flip someone on their back, cast the spell and cause their shirt to separate along the middle, and start working on them... or something.
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post Nov 19 2003, 12:41 AM
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It would be an interesting use of the spell to say the very least. Fashion, if memory serves, allows you to alter the style and cut of a garment so I don't see why not.

The only problem is that the Force of the spell would have to equal or beat the Armor rating (if any) of the clothing. I think. I can't quite remember the errata'd rule for it.
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post Nov 19 2003, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)
It would be an interesting use of the spell to say the very least. Fashion, if memory serves, allows you to alter the style and cut of a garment so I don't see why not.

The only problem is that the Force of the spell would have to equal or beat the Armor rating (if any) of the clothing. I think. I can't quite remember the errata'd rule for it.

would it be easier than try to cut the armor off?

in real life, I think a doc would try that. Often when a patient is hurt ( especially with spinal related injuries ) a doc would hesitate to move them enough to wriggle them out of clothes, or armor.
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post Nov 19 2003, 02:31 AM
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With the spell, you aren't moving them at all. If they were lying on thier back, you could still "cut" along the spine.

I give that idea a thumbs up.
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post Nov 19 2003, 04:26 AM
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Yeah, that's innovative. I like it. :)

In fact, I can see a magical healer having a spell which only cuts clothing for this purpose, but can cut a high armor rating with little or no dependance on force.
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post Nov 19 2003, 05:43 AM
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Clothingbolt/Clothingball.

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post Nov 19 2003, 05:47 AM
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Something tells me Clothingball would see more use in nightclubs than ORs.
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post Nov 19 2003, 05:49 AM
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So true.

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post Nov 19 2003, 07:19 AM
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I think a more practical and plausible custom spell would be a Reduce Armor Rating (for lack of a more colorful name at this hour) spell. It could reduce the effective Armor Rating of armor by a number of points equal to the successes on the test (maybe with a limit of Force or two times Force), thus making it easy to cut open with conventional scissors/knives or a low force Fashion spell.

The nice thing about it is that while it would be a "OR" type spell by design, it could see some use in a fight as well. That's always something a shadowrunner-type should consider; I mean, even if you are playing a doctor, you're obvious of less-than-respectable morales if you're applying your skills on an actual shadowrun (as opposed to just patching up shadowrunners)... so...
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post Nov 19 2003, 07:36 AM
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Wreck Armor already exists. I was thinking of something for a medical NPC that could make him kind of unique and memorable, but wouldn't require him to spend much time/karma to learn.

But yeah, if you're a PC and want more functionality, go with Wreck Armor and define it as shredding/disintegrating that won't hurt the wearer.
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post Nov 19 2003, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (CirclMastr)
Something tells me Clothingball would see more use in nightclubs than ORs.

Are you kidding? Wait until the "Mass Intoxication" spell gets written up...

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post Nov 19 2003, 01:45 PM
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Are you kidding? Wait until the "Mass Intoxication" spell gets written up...

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QUOTE (Siege @ Nov 19 2003, 07:56 AM)
QUOTE (CirclMastr @ Nov 19 2003, 05:47 AM)
Something tells me Clothingball would see more use in nightclubs than ORs.

Are you kidding? Wait until the "Mass Intoxication" spell gets written up...

-Siege

Good for combat, strip them all of their armor and get them drunk. Now if you could get a spell to turn guns into party popers, you would be all set.
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post Nov 19 2003, 04:43 PM
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Wreck Armor already exists. I was thinking of something for a medical NPC that could make him kind of unique and memorable, but wouldn't require him to spend much time/karma to learn.

But yeah, if you're a PC and want more functionality, go with Wreck Armor and define it as shredding/disintegrating that won't hurt the wearer.

No, I wasn't talking about a spell like Wreck Armor. I was thinking of a (lower Drain and maybe even lower TN) spell that only temporarily weakens armor for as long as you sustain the spell.
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post Nov 19 2003, 06:17 PM
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Something like "turn armor to goo".... but here we go again....
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You could make it a "willing subjects only"

If I didn't have work to do, I would build this skill.

But I do.
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You could make it a "willing subjects only"

If I didn't have work to do, I would build this skill.

But I do.

someone unconcious can't give or deny consent. at least that's what the laws around here say. :D hahaha :rotfl:
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