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post Aug 7 2007, 03:54 AM
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I was rereading the old Tir na Nog book for a character history. I was wondering if anyone knows what happened to Liam O'Conner after he left to walk the final path?
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post Aug 7 2007, 04:40 AM
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He got there. ;)

I always had the impression that Lady Brane Deigh (sp?) had him offed.
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post Aug 7 2007, 08:36 PM
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He went out... Sort of like Halo Jones.
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post Aug 7 2007, 10:53 PM
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It sounds so anti-climatic that he just wanders off somewhere after founding a nation. I figured there must be a backstory in some random Shadowrun novel somewhere that I hadn't read.
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post Aug 7 2007, 11:08 PM
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I think it's purposefully anit-climatic. After all, if youd just offed your significant other, in order to set up your own little Behind the Scenes Ruling a Nation court, off of a religion that you basically helped him to make up (again, since the Path of the Wheel was originally made up by the first IEs), would you want to draw a lot of attention to him/her now that he's gone, and you're off his/her coat tails? No, it's much easier to just say that "he(she) has ascended to the Citadel of the Shining Ones, and you can too if you just follow our caste system!"
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post Aug 7 2007, 11:25 PM
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Old Elves Retirement Community, Tampa, Florida, CAS. Or maybe Brane was traditional and sealed him in a tree or a cave.
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post Aug 8 2007, 11:33 AM
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Atlantis. That's my guess.
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post Aug 8 2007, 06:00 PM
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He or some other elf using his name turns up in one of the older novels (Nosferatu I think) IIRC, but I didn´t read it myself.
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post Aug 13 2007, 04:20 PM
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I thought that he was still kicking about, just with a new name. IIRC it was insinuated somewhere that Liam O'Connor was just person he made up to found the elven nation and he's moved on to his next ident. But I can't be sure where I read this, sorry I'll look.
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post Aug 13 2007, 04:33 PM
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That sounds more like Ehran and his previous identity.
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post Aug 13 2007, 04:39 PM
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whoops, I thought I might have been getting mixed up. Yeah pretty darn sure it was ehran I was thinking of.
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post Aug 13 2007, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE (Kayos Frawg)
whoops, I thought I might have been getting mixed up. Yeah pretty darn sure it was ehran I was thinking of.

Not a big mistake, considering THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON, or rather, Ehran was Liam. Puts the Aztlan-file in a whole new perspective, EH?
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post Aug 13 2007, 08:09 PM
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Ehran was not Liam, they were both active at the same time. Walter Brightwater(I think) was Ehran's previous identity. If they were the same person the Tirs would get on better.
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post Aug 14 2007, 05:58 AM
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I didn't think Ehran and Liam were the same since both were busy founding their respective nations at the time. Although both have similarities: elves with little prior history, hiding their elfness, and founding nations using already existing rebel movements.

One would have thought Liam was a IE as well, but I can't find any indication of it in the books I have.
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post Aug 14 2007, 06:09 AM
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The only plausible alter ego for Liam I can think of is Harlequin. He isn't doing anything of note during the founding of Tir Na Nog - and would probably want to counter anything Ehran was doing at the time.

However, nation building doesn't seem like his M.O. Neither does working "under cover", which Liam did while he was pretending to be a human IRA member.

Still, a fun possibility that he helped set up a new elven nation to spite Ehran, got married and then got bored and left.

Anyone know Earthdawn? I know the two elven nations are supposed to be mirrors of the elven nations in Earthdawn. It would be interesting to see if Ehran was allied with one and Harlequin the other.
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post Aug 14 2007, 07:24 AM
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Harlequin was a Knight of Shoshara, and then an ambassador to Blood Wood. Mostly just to fuck with Alachia.
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post Aug 14 2007, 08:07 AM
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Harlequin was a knoght of the Crimson Spire (from Shosara).

The to elven nations the Tir's mimic are Bloodwood (more particularly the elven court) in Tir Na Nog, most notably with the Queen's power and the Paths stuff; and Thera, in the form of Tir Tairngire, it even has the same rule for foreign employees as Thera had (before it became slavery). This of course explains why they hate each other, also at least one Blood elf has switched sides (Aithne Oakforest) though he has now left politics (yeah right).
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post Aug 14 2007, 09:43 AM
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Well, I don't think that the fact that Ehran was busy with Tir Tairngire means that he couldn't have been Liam founding Tir Na Nog at the same time. Maybe he wanted TWO nations instead of one. Better chance of succeeding, right? And if he only did make up one nation, why would he leave it so easily? That's right, even though his project in North America failed, he still had his other nation over in Europe.
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post Aug 14 2007, 11:50 AM
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Actually Ehran left the Tir to run the DIMR, which he probably saw as a more stable position of power. He also from his comments in Portfolio of a Dragon had something of a change of heart about how to influence the world.

The elf with fingers in both pies is Alachia, who was a prince of Tir Tairngire and had a large influence over Brane Deigh, the Seelie queen of Tir Na Nog.

I personally suspect that Ehran is on of the powers behind the First Govenor of Thera. One of the Heavenheads.
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post Aug 14 2007, 05:24 PM
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First governor of Thera ?
In Shadowrun ?
Who ? Where ? When ?

I know i might be totaly off, but i really thought that Shadowrun's Therans where the Black Lodge ... Else, who the hell are they and where do they take their powers from ?

Brane Deigh is probably Alachia's Daughter, who's the father then ?(Who would have the balls to have some fun with Alachia ?)
Harlequin = Liam O'Connor ? maybe, but i'd rather see him as an Unseelie.
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post Aug 14 2007, 06:29 PM
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The Black Lodge are run by a spirit that came through during the middle ages. Synner has hinted at the spirit being the Outcast one of EDs Great Dragons.
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post Aug 14 2007, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE
Harlequin was a knoght of the Crimson Spire (from Shosara).

No, he was not. Shosara != Sereatha.

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The to elven nations the Tir's mimic are Bloodwood (more particularly the elven court) in Tir Na Nog, most notably with the Queen's power and the Paths stuff; and Thera, in the form of Tir Tairngire, it even has the same rule for foreign employees as Thera had (before it became slavery). This of course explains why they hate each other, also at least one Blood elf has switched sides (Aithne Oakforest) though he has now left politics (yeah right).

This is a common misconception. While there exists a strong argument that Tír na nÓg houses the reincarnation of the Elven Court, there is virtually no evidence that Tír Tairngire is the Sixth World equivalent of Shosara.

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I know i might be totaly off, but i really thought that Shadowrun's Therans where the Black Lodge ... Else, who the hell are they and where do they take their powers from ?

The standing evidence points against the Black Lodge being descended from the Therans.

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Brane Deigh is probably Alachia's Daughter, who's the father then ?(Who would have the balls to have some fun with Alachia ?)

Alachia gets around, but there's no indication that Lady Brane Deigh is her daughter - unlike Jenna Ni'Fairra.
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post Aug 14 2007, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE (Ancient History)
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Harlequin was a knoght of the Crimson Spire (from Shosara).

No, he was not. Shosara != Sereatha.


Sorry may bad, been awhile since I read my ED

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The to elven nations the Tir's mimic are Bloodwood (more particularly the elven court) in Tir Na Nog, most notably with the Queen's power and the Paths stuff; and Thera, in the form of Tir Tairngire, it even has the same rule for foreign employees as Thera had (before it became slavery). This of course explains why they hate each other, also at least one Blood elf has switched sides (Aithne Oakforest) though he has now left politics (yeah right).

This is a common misconception. While there exists a strong argument that Tír na nÓg houses the reincarnation of the Elven Court, there is virtually no evidence that Tír Tairngire is the Sixth World equivalent of Shosara.


I said Thera!!! Look right there in the bit I typed up there ^^^
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post Aug 14 2007, 07:11 PM
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Well Tír Tairngire isn't Thera either, so there. :P
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post Aug 14 2007, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE (Ancient History)

This is a common misconception. While there exists a strong argument that Tír na nÓg houses the reincarnation of the Elven Court, there is virtually no evidence that Tír Tairngire is the Sixth World equivalent of Shosara.




Alachia gets around, but there's no indication that Lady Brane Deigh is her daughter - unlike Jenna Ni'Fairra.

Ah, I haven't read any of the novels, has it really been stated that Jenna is Alachia's daughter? I always thought that she was Alachia herself. Perhaps you could referate the text for us, your fans? ;)

And while you're at it, did the Elven Court of ED have the same kind of "pixie"-court like Tir Na Nog supposedly has?

Or did you mean that the spirits n stuff that make up the Seelies are actually those of the elves? Yes, I know this is a long shot.
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