IPB
X   Site Message
(Message will auto close in 2 seconds)

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

2 Pages V  < 1 2  
Closed TopicStart new topic
> Planck Length, Discretized position?
Vaevictis
post Aug 12 2007, 05:25 AM
Post #26


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 530
Joined: 11-June 05
Member No.: 7,441



I also think you're going to have to discretize the angle of departure from a point in order to have a discrete system, but I'm not sure.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Kagetenshi
post Aug 12 2007, 04:10 PM
Post #27


Manus Celer Dei
**********

Group: Dumpshocked
Posts: 16,898
Joined: 30-December 02
From: Boston
Member No.: 3,802



That's not difficult to do, it seems—if you travel one planck length at angle θ_1, the results do not seem to be distinguishable from traveling one planck length at angle θ_2 where the distance between the endpoints is less than one planck length.

But don't take my word to mean too much. Like I said, I'm just an informed amateur.

~J
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
FrankTrollman
post Aug 12 2007, 06:39 PM
Post #28


Prime Runner
*******

Group: Banned
Posts: 3,732
Joined: 1-September 05
From: Prague, Czech Republic
Member No.: 7,665



A length of 3.2 Planck Lengths cannt be distinguished from a length of 3 Planck Lengths, and thus you can make a currently irrefutable argument that there is no distance of 3.2 Planck Lengths possible.

-Frank
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Vaevictis
post Aug 12 2007, 06:41 PM
Post #29


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 530
Joined: 11-June 05
Member No.: 7,441



Right, but for now, the only assumption that exists is that you can't move less than a Planck length. While it may be what lead Frank to make that assumption, it is not yet stated that just because two points are not measurably different that we shall assume that they are the same.

Further, if despite the fact that two points may not be measurably different from each other, I wonder if you could distinguish by measuring with reference to a point that is less than a Planck length from one point, but more than from the other.

EDIT: BTW, this post is with respect to Kage.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Kagetenshi
post Aug 12 2007, 09:40 PM
Post #30


Manus Celer Dei
**********

Group: Dumpshocked
Posts: 16,898
Joined: 30-December 02
From: Boston
Member No.: 3,802



QUOTE (FrankTrollman)
A length of 3.2 Planck Lengths cannt be distinguished from a length of 3 Planck Lengths, and thus you can make a currently irrefutable argument that there is no distance of 3.2 Planck Lengths possible.

A length of 3.2 planck lengths is indistinguishable from a length of 3 planck lengths and a length of 4.1 planck lengths, while a length of 3 planck lengths and a length of 4.1 planck lengths are distinguishable from one another, unless I'm erring in my understanding (which I may be—I'd love to see a paper covering that issue if there is one, but my Google-fu has thus far failed).

~J
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
FrankTrollman
post Aug 12 2007, 11:10 PM
Post #31


Prime Runner
*******

Group: Banned
Posts: 3,732
Joined: 1-September 05
From: Prague, Czech Republic
Member No.: 7,665



QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Aug 12 2007, 01:39 PM)
A length of 3.2 Planck Lengths cannt be distinguished from a length of 3 Planck Lengths, and thus you can make a currently irrefutable argument that there is no distance of 3.2 Planck Lengths possible.

A length of 3.2 planck lengths is indistinguishable from a length of 3 planck lengths and a length of 4.1 planck lengths, while a length of 3 planck lengths and a length of 4.1 planck lengths are distinguishable from one another, unless I'm erring in my understanding (which I may be—I'd love to see a paper covering that issue if there is one, but my Google-fu has thus far failed).

~J
QUOTE
Further, if despite the fact that two points may not be measurably different from each other, I wonder if you could distinguish by measuring with reference to a point that is less than a Planck length from one point, but more than from the other.


No. You can't.

-Frank
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Wounded Ronin
post Aug 12 2007, 11:15 PM
Post #32


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 6,640
Joined: 6-June 04
Member No.: 6,383



QUOTE (the_dunner)
Moved to General Gaming, as I'm not seeing a Shadowrun connection here. For that matter, while it's an interesting discussion on physics, I'm not seeing a connection to gaming in general. Let's either make that connection in the next couple posts or move the discussion to a theoretical physics board, please.

It's related to gaming because it has implications for creating rules. Can rules relating to movement be absolutely correct if they're written in terms of planck length?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
FrankTrollman
post Aug 12 2007, 11:25 PM
Post #33


Prime Runner
*******

Group: Banned
Posts: 3,732
Joined: 1-September 05
From: Prague, Czech Republic
Member No.: 7,665



I'm mostly curious as to what exactly happens when you move something at the minimum speed and then divide that speed by six using Movement.

I think you win Inertia.

-Frank
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Ancient History
post Aug 12 2007, 11:55 PM
Post #34


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 6,748
Joined: 5-July 02
Member No.: 2,935



I think, provided you could observe the object at the minimum speed, you'd probably hit a potential energy barrier.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
the_dunner
post Aug 13 2007, 12:46 AM
Post #35


Shooting Target
****

Group: Retired Admins
Posts: 1,784
Joined: 28-July 04
From: Cleveland, OH
Member No.: 6,522



Sorry folks, but we (the mods) are just not seeing the gaming connection. Thread locked.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

2 Pages V  < 1 2
Closed TopicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 13th April 2022 - 04:56 AM

Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.