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post Aug 16 2007, 01:34 AM
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Hmm...
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post Aug 16 2007, 01:52 AM
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post Aug 16 2007, 02:33 AM
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How very, very, odd. Anybody know the release dates on 3.5?

Edit: Rpg.net semi confirmation. 4th ed D&D. You know they're just doing cause that's waht all the cool kids are doing. :grinbig:
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post Aug 16 2007, 06:54 AM
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Oh, good lord. They're about to piss off a lot of people.

*shrug*

Oh well.
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post Aug 16 2007, 07:10 AM
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Meriss - I think somewhere around 2000. I know I lived in San Jose at the time, and I moved from there in '02. Not the most technical means I'm sure, but that's what I recall. 'course I could try out my google-fu. But I just don't care enough.

Anyawy, as I recall, isn't 5-7 years kid of standard for an edition? 3,5 was kind of a fluke there.
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post Aug 16 2007, 07:13 AM
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No, that's not standard at all in a genre where there are no standards. If it were, D&D should be at something ridiculous like the 8th Edition or something, for instance, and Shadowrun wouldn't be far behind.

I'm rather indifferent about the topic as I haven't played or even thought about playing D&D since, well, not long after 3rd Edition came out. Will be interesting to see what they consider a new edition, though, and to listen to them explain why it was needed considering the whole d20 System license bit.
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post Aug 16 2007, 07:18 AM
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and to listen to them explain why it was needed considering the whole d20 System license bit.
:D yeah that should be good!
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post Aug 16 2007, 07:51 AM
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We still play 3E in our group. I'd say "I'll stick to it"; but I was sceptical when I heard of 3E, and I switched as soon as I read the PHB.
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post Aug 16 2007, 08:33 AM
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Well, I don't care much for a 4th edition - I have all 3.5 books I need to run my Iron Kingdoms campaign. :)
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post Aug 16 2007, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)
No, that's not standard at all in a genre where there are no standards. If it were, D&D should be at something ridiculous like the 8th Edition or something, for instance, and Shadowrun wouldn't be far behind.

I'm rather indifferent about the topic as I haven't played or even thought about playing D&D since, well, not long after 3rd Edition came out. Will be interesting to see what they consider a new edition, though, and to listen to them explain why it was needed considering the whole d20 System license bit.

Nah D&D would be be some 6-7th ed (original '74 33 years ago)

Shadowrun would be on 4th ('89 so 18 years)

Given the D&D/Ad&D thing those numbers seem right (as D&D had 4 editions (maybe 5) and AD&D is on 3.5 so far)
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post Aug 16 2007, 04:35 PM
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There was a brief period yesterday where an admin board was left wide open for public viewing. It contained a full 4th Edition message board with a dozen or so starter topics for discussion.

It looked like they were prepping and getting the board ready, and forgot to lock it. It got shut down right when I was starting to post links.

Supposedly at GenCon this morning they made an official announcement.


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post Aug 16 2007, 05:03 PM
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Yeah.... forgot to lock it.... sure. :D
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post Aug 16 2007, 05:47 PM
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Not that I have any real source of info to provide other than rumor but..... It was like a month age I heard that 4th was coming out soon. Also the rumor is they are going to stop the open game licence stuff as well.

As has been stated Gencon is the time to make official announcements so I guess we'll see.
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post Aug 16 2007, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE (Galedeep)
Oh, good lord. They're about to piss off a lot of people.

*shrug*

Oh well.

...damn straight. Personally I'm just disappointed, I like 3.5 the way it is but I don't play it all that often to warrant buying more than just the three core books, a couple of Forgotten Realms source books and Oriental Adventures.

However, got a couple of friends with pretty hefty investments in 3.5, and a lot of those books aren't cheap.

...I think I can hear them screaming and cursing now.
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post Aug 16 2007, 07:40 PM
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With luck, it's a rebranded original D&D, so we can get rid of this ridiculous "class/race separation".

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post Aug 16 2007, 07:49 PM
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I hope for something that looks similar to the new Star Wars rules.
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post Aug 16 2007, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
With luck, it's a rebranded original D&D, so we can get rid of this ridiculous "class/race separation".

~J

Ah the heady days when Halfling was a class... with nothing going for it at all...

*Sits down and gets nostalgic about Red box D&D*
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post Aug 16 2007, 08:42 PM
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I hope for something that looks similar to the new Star Wars rules.

Or the old ones. 8)
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post Aug 16 2007, 08:50 PM
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Less than 2 hours to go! Someone at Gen con sneak into the announcement hall!
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post Aug 16 2007, 09:36 PM
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I hope for something that looks similar to the new Star Wars rules.

I dunno, the new SAGA edition has parts that feel awful sloppy to me.

I'll give an example. Under Creating Droid Heros, it tells you in the rules text that you get one form of movement for free, and that adding more forms costs an increasing extra price in credits.

Over on a chart there is another set of cost formulas for movement systems, different from the one in the text.

The rules text makes no mention of the formulas in the chart. None at all.

I can tell what they probably INTEND, that the formulas in the chart are the actual base price of each movement system, and the increasing price for extra movement systems beyond the first is tacked on top of that, but nowhere is this actually spelled out.

That's just sloppy.

The whole book has stuff like this, scattered about.

From what I understand, the guys who developed the SAGA edition were freelancers hired by WotC rather than their in-house staff, but it really could have stood to gone a few more rounds of playtesting and rules-proofing.


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post Aug 16 2007, 09:45 PM
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While I will agree that there is some sloppiness and rules oversights, the class development is what I really like. I think it is a vast improvement over classes as DnD currently has them.
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post Aug 16 2007, 10:23 PM
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Agreed. The idea that you can be a 17th level ranger, and it can take you ages to learn the first thing (1st level) about being a fighter just makes no sense.

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post Aug 16 2007, 10:34 PM
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And here we are at the appointed time. I log in, and the screen saaaayyysss....

"Service Unavailable"

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post Aug 16 2007, 10:34 PM
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I never minded that, Fighter 1 isn't to bad a level...
More seriously as you get more skilled in one thing it becomes harder to learn new tricks.
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post Aug 16 2007, 10:36 PM
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Aaaaaaannnnd

the timer finishes and wizards.com goes down.
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