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 D&D 4th Edition, or something else?, Check their website... |
 Aug 17 2007, 11:33 PM
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Chicago Survivor  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033  |
Yeah, this will kill my group buying WotC products.
Sure, it's a business, but damn, this just isn't necessary from a game standpoint. |
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Aug 18 2007, 03:55 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...well, could always mean there may be a good market in used 3 - 3.5 stuff soon.
Been doing pretty well filling in my library of SRIII material since 4th ed came out. |
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Aug 20 2007, 03:28 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Are you kidding? Have you seen the rules bloat in 3.0/3.5? The contradicting, confusing text? I've seen game sessions end up being half rules arguements instead of actually playing. Hell, the D&D FAQ, which is purely a document clarifying and explaining the rules, has grown larger than some of the sourcebooks. D&D is prime for a rules update right now. -karma |
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Aug 20 2007, 04:41 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
4.0 isn't going to fix that. the rules will start bloating again, probably with the first or second splatbook.
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Aug 20 2007, 06:27 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
From what I could gather from the site, they're not really interested in fixing rules bloating or anything of the sort. It's more of a delivery platform to celebrate some online tools they're trying to push, with a few minor upgrades to the system to actually facilitate even more rules bloat (like weapons having different and individual charactertics in combat).
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Aug 20 2007, 08:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 19-June 07 From: Florida Member No.: 11,950 |
I'm just sick to death of classes and levels. I don't really ever want to run another level based game again.
I love fantasy games- treasure, castles, dragons, it's all good. But when level comes into play- it just kills it for me. |
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Aug 20 2007, 08:18 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...by that last statement, sounds like they got a couple of the old FGU guys working for them. Remember Chivalry & Sorcery- the fantasy game that makes the current Shadowrun chargen look like old AD&D (before Second Ed)?
...there is always Hero System's Fantasy Hero |
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Aug 20 2007, 08:38 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Take a level in Classic Roleplayer and you'll be ok with it again. ~J |
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Aug 20 2007, 08:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 19-June 07 From: Florida Member No.: 11,950 |
Actually I'm currently sticking more to rules that were home brewed for freshness when it comes to fantasy games. I've got a friend who cooked a up a great set of rules. Interestingly they're based on D20 but w/out levels or classes. |
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Aug 20 2007, 10:34 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...come to think of it, didn't Runequest dispense with character levels as well? I vaguely remember rolling against skills used in an adventure to improve them instead of having blanket levels to increase your abilities. I know Call of Cthulu (not the D20 version) uses the same mechanic.
I think DragonQuest also used a similar system that allowed your character to go for training to increase your skills between adventures. Man that was a more than a quarter century since I last played either RQ or DQ. Yikes! Has it been that long? |
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Aug 20 2007, 11:16 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Yes, they did. CoC used a simplified version of the RQ mechanics. When I discovered RQ I began to think about RPGs in a different way and to hate the concept of character classes and levels. |
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Aug 20 2007, 11:35 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...yeah I really miss RQ, though I occasionally have the opportunity to play CoC now & then.
...but just like the biz of Computer OS & software, it seems the inferior product gets the biggest slice of the market pie over the better one. |
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Aug 21 2007, 12:29 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Many of D&D's more controversial features (levels, classes, arguably even alignment) make more sense if you reclassify the game as a tactical wargame. This is before the "role-playing" perversions, of course.
~J |
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Aug 21 2007, 04:41 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
QFT. Actually, strangely enough, my entire reaction to 4e is pretty much: *shrug* "Where did I put my new copy of Savage Worlds?" |
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Aug 21 2007, 09:05 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Having thought long and hard about what disease 4th ed will cause i have realised that the disease will be quick, and efficent (or streamlined in designer speak). So I suspect 4th edtion D&D will cause Ebola.
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Aug 26 2007, 11:59 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...funny coincidence, I was sitting at the coffee shop today and there were two fellows at the table next to me with the Savage Worlds - Revised book. @Ophis, I would think the disease would be more like spontaneous cranial arterial embolism followed by massive cerebral hemorrhaging after one's blood pressure went ballistic when they just learned the thousand+ $ in rules and sourcebooks they acquired over the last few years are now worthless. :grinbig: |
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Aug 27 2007, 01:41 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
The savage world rules are pretty weird. I love weird probability action going on. If you have a d6 in shooting and I have a d4 in shooting.. and we are having a pistol duel I want us to take *ten* paces each not five so my chance of hitting is now 20% and yours is 16%! /me has just started playing a game of deadlands. |
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Aug 27 2007, 01:56 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Deadlands rocks! The original Pinnacle game is still my second favorite game of all time. :)
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Aug 27 2007, 01:42 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Deadlands is cool. I haven't played the SW version of it yet, but I know a few people that have played both and prefer the original.
KK, pick up the Explorer's Edition. $10, full rules, packed with awesome. |
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Aug 27 2007, 02:48 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...pretty cool. have to check My FLGS this weekend.
Love Deadlands, just wish more people where I lived played it. A game right up my namesake's alley. |
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Aug 28 2007, 06:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Ebola - perfect! I love it! The mere announcement of 4th edition D&D has certainly killed any desire to continue buying WotC stuff in our group, especially considering that the two main GMs (myself included) are rather heavily invested in 3.5 (and Eberron in my case). Talk about alienating the fanbase :please:
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Aug 28 2007, 06:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Found this on the WotC boards. Given that WotC has flat out admitted to lying to their fanbase, I believe it. |
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Aug 28 2007, 09:58 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...almost makes 'ol Mr Gygax & TSR not seem all that bad anymore...
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Aug 28 2007, 10:42 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Hey, man, Gygax is cool. He's the Chuck Norris of RPGs. When you roll on the tables for random tavern encounters in your 1st edition D&D game and the result of the dice roll is that the level 1 torch bearer hireling is in fact a sociopath because that possibility is indeed on the table, it's everything you can do as the GM to bite your lip and not scream "CHUCK NORRIS!" at the top of your lungs. |
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Aug 28 2007, 10:55 PM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
Having been at GenCon, I don't recall any prison camp vibes. When I wasn't running games, I spent a lot of time in the dealer hall and walked through the WotC booth. They made the pronouncement that 4th Ed was coming, but given that they weren't answering many questions, I can't see how it would be described as force fed. It was rather the opposite, I had to pry out teeth just to get admission on whether or not a D20 would still be rolled. |
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