 Question about Captain Chaos |
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 Aug 17 2007, 06:14 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,245 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Running the streets of Southeast Virginia Member No.: 11,548  |
What book(s) would I need to read to find out what happened to the good Cap?
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Aug 17 2007, 06:18 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
System Failure
There's also discussion on ghosts in the machine in Emergence. His final fate is never exactly made crystal clear however. |
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Aug 18 2007, 05:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 28-January 06 Member No.: 8,209 |
Is there ever any more data on JackBNimble other than the little blurb in System Failure? I mean, in there, he seems to save the Cap's personality, but then leaves it very much up in the air whether the personality is then deleted.
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Aug 18 2007, 06:59 AM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
If you want, Neko, PM me and I'll give you all of the 'facts' I worked out for JackBNimble for a prior game of mine. The written info is sparse, but a lot can be inferred from the System Failure text. What I'd be giving you wouldn't be so much canon as 'extrapolated from Canon'.
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Aug 18 2007, 07:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 9-September 03 From: Sorø, Denmark Member No.: 5,604 |
Why not put it up somewhere where everybody cane access it? I, for one, would love to see what you "extrapolate" from the Canon material. Lars |
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Aug 18 2007, 07:25 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Agreed. Theories are always fun.
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Aug 18 2007, 08:42 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I'll throw in my voice for you to post that here, Adarael.
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Aug 18 2007, 08:47 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Not me. I don't want to see anything of the sort!
(Reverse psychology for the win!) |
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Aug 18 2007, 11:08 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
I'm joining the row of people who want you to post it. :D
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Aug 18 2007, 03:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 28-January 06 Member No.: 8,209 |
Well, since when I click on a person's profile all I get is a blank page (and thus I'm unsure how to PM someone otherwise), I'll join the votes for posting it publically. However, if you'd rather not, please feel free to PM it to me. |
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Aug 18 2007, 07:20 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
You can access the PM system by clicking the 'x new messages' link at the top of the page and then manually sending your PM.
But we want him to post it here regardless. :D |
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Aug 18 2007, 07:45 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Alrighty. I'll organize it and throw some stuff up.
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Aug 18 2007, 08:29 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
out of curiosity, what's "up in the air" about whether or not Cap's personality was deleted during SF?
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Aug 18 2007, 09:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 28-January 06 Member No.: 8,209 |
When Cap is in Shadowland overseeing backups, he's the last one there. He tries to log out, but is too late; the Jormungand virus has arrived and locked him down. He blacks out. He wakes up again in a dead gray zone (data storage); he's talked to by something that identifies itself as JackBNimble (the file Dunkelzahn willed to him). He asks what it's done to him; it says "You are saved". He asks it what he is; it responds he's a file, but that there was an error, and he is flawed and should be deleted. JackBNimble then leaves. It ends with this paragraph:
with no answer to the prompt. So yeah, his persona has obviously been stored in the Matrix somewhere, saved (in the literal sense of a data file, not as in "rescueing") by JackBNimble; but he's already showing signs of insanity, and it's left very uncertain whether he pulls himself together, goes insane, or kills himself. |
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Aug 19 2007, 12:49 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,245 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Running the streets of Southeast Virginia Member No.: 11,548 |
After having read the entirety of System Failure, I'd vote for the good Cap to show up at a later point as one of the new AIs. Nothing like Deus, Mirage, or Morgan/Magaera but still an AI nonetheless.
I also found it interesting that the original 3 AIs... nothing in the fluff specifically states they are gone. Just a lot of text about how the worm was tearing up the white tree of Deus. I'd have to say it merely left a lot of loose ends rather than definitively tidying things up. |
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Aug 19 2007, 02:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 28-January 06 Member No.: 8,209 |
Emergence includes this quote:
I believe they're all supposed to have "died" (if that's the right word) on November 2nd, 2065, in the ECSE fight involving the three AIs, a number of Technomancers, the Jormungand viral egg placed by Puck, a Dissonance Well, and a large number of very, very unhappy stock brokers. |
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Aug 21 2007, 12:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 225 Joined: 13-July 07 Member No.: 12,235 |
I'd like to hear more on this too, wha'd'ya say, Adarael? I mean, I just got into SR4, but seeing these little excerpts from the books, this stuff looks damn cool.
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Aug 21 2007, 02:33 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,245 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Running the streets of Southeast Virginia Member No.: 11,548 |
I read what you say but at the same time... I am reminded of the text in the various SR BBBs... about using HoG to save a memorable villain from certain destruction. I also refer to this as "It ain't dead until I see the body dismembered, separated to the corners of the planet, and summarily vaporized twice". AKA: If you don't have the body, they aren't dead. AIs make it difficult to find the body, so to speak... (Yes, I am the kind of runner that would put 2-3 more bullets into a "dead" opponent just to make sure.) |
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Aug 21 2007, 02:42 PM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
For my two cents, I liked all of the loose ends. Each one is now a new possible storyline or twist in a larger storyline. I'm pretty sure that Unwired, when it lays out rules for AIs will explain the hows and whys of smaller AIs and definitively tell us whether the bigger AIs could even process. Personally, my character is going to start rounding up several and baking at a low temperature for 2-3 hours. |
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