 Tunguska [spoilers warning], When Shadowrun meets X-Files |
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 Aug 21 2007, 10:13 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 29-March 07 Member No.: 11,342  |
I was reading Shadows of Asia last night and i was really interested in the Yakut part.
To sum up for those that didnt read it, or dont recal that part, it seems that Siberia declared independance from Russia with the help of Shapeshifters and more importantly of a Free Spirit of massive power. After independance, they realised the price they had to pay : the Shapeshifters are running the dance now and any who opposes them dissapear. Most ignore everything about the spirit, but she is the power behind the shapeshifters. That's for the Yakut part. Regarding Tunguska, famous "Alien Crash Site" the shadow posters make interesting comments : the crash is not an UFO, but some "device" that was sent in space thousands of years ago, and that crashed back. Another poster says it was actualy some kind of spirit that was imprisoned and sent away. In those posts there is no link between the spirit ruling yakut and that imprisoned spirit sent in space. So, any of you have more information regarding this story ? any supposition to what could be that spirit ? (the one ruling yakut and the one imprisoned). |
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Aug 21 2007, 11:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Helsinki Member No.: 7,552 |
IIRC it's name was Verniya. But other than that, I don't remember. Harlequin might have had something to do with the spirit prison being whacked into the orbit, or then not. My guess is that it's somekind of a shadow spirit, but not a horror.
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Aug 21 2007, 11:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 29-March 07 Member No.: 11,342 |
Thanks for the name Mitja :)
But do you think both stories are linked ? (Verniya and the entrapped spirit sent in space) Besides why would Harlequin be linked to that story (or stories) ? What's a shadow spirit if not some kind of horror spawn ? I'm not familiar with Earthdawn, is there any similar story ? (regarding a shapeshifter kingdom or a spirit sent in space ?) |
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Aug 21 2007, 01:02 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Back in "Smuggler's Haven's" Harlequin makes a joking reference towards Tunguska that they were trying to give earth another moon, rather than it being something that had fallen to earth on it's own, basically they were trying to get rid of it and due to the low mana level (early 20 century) hadn't achieved escape velocity. Maybe they were worried the spirit would break out once the mana level returned.
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Aug 21 2007, 08:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668 |
Snow Fox is better than I am at this stuff but I think the real thing was a massive explosion in 1912. some people say it was a UFO but many people think it was a meteor hitting the earth. You could ask what sent the meteor or UFO or what ever it was.
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Aug 21 2007, 08:47 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
According to Harlequin it was an attempt to hurl a big rock off earth, it didn't make it and landed with a bang!
IRL it seems to be a meteor that exploded before impact, hence huge area of devastation and not a huge crater. |
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Aug 21 2007, 09:01 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
I remember learning about Tunguska in an astronomy course as an undergrad. Apparently, all those people who went and hyped Tunguska up into some great big conspiracy theory about aliens or whatever are a most hated anathema to astronomer types because they represent the flabby and expansive stupid smothering serious and scientific inquiry into things.
Since that's how the issue was introduced to me in an astronomy class, I propose that the Tunguska projectile is actually a capsule full of alien furries with superpowers created by an intergalactic Con of Darkness. |
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Aug 22 2007, 06:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 29-March 07 Member No.: 11,342 |
I know the RL stuff about Tunguska : There was trees burnt and lying on the ground around 100 km, but the scientists at the time never found an impact nor a residual of what fell, this is the hype around Tunguska, and the end of the story might be know next year with a new expedition.
I want to know the SR stuff ^^ |
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Aug 22 2007, 12:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Helsinki Member No.: 7,552 |
As for the stories being linked, I guess it isn't stated anywhere clearly. But given that Verniya is being described as a mean spirit, I think it is reasonable to assume that they are the same, with the location and all. I don't remember how the shadow spirits are described, but I recall that they are not horrors. And if the spirit in question would be a horror, why would Harley & Co trap it, when it's time on earth is relatively limited? |
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Aug 22 2007, 06:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
Shadow spirits aren't horrors per se, but they're certainly no picnic. I don't see how the spirits time on earth is limited though. |
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Aug 22 2007, 06:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Helsinki Member No.: 7,552 |
I meant that if it was a horror, there would be no point in trapping it, since it would have to go away when mana dropped. |
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Aug 22 2007, 06:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
Ah indeed, or maybe not. Here's a scary thought for you. Say it's an earlier age with mana. Horror inhabits something, then it aspects a power site to it, domain, warp, whatever. Then maybe it uses some variation of manastatic to keep enough mana nearby to stick around during the upcoming downcycle. I call it the goldfish bowl scenario. Then as the mana goes back up your tank gets bigger until you don't need it anymore and you can go bite heads off again. |
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Aug 22 2007, 07:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 29-March 07 Member No.: 11,342 |
From memory, Shedims (i suppose they are the shadow spirits) have the evannecence power that makes tehm loose magic while they are materialised.
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Aug 22 2007, 07:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
Until they anchor themselves via possessing an undead vessel. Then it's all wine, roses, and braaaaaains. :) |
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Aug 22 2007, 09:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Do do do do do doo... The references in Target: Smuggler Havens and Shadows of Asia are about all there is to Tunguska in SR. Given the comments from The Laughing Man and Orange Queen with other information, several theories emerge. The following is the most popular, though I can't tell you if it's what the authors intended exactly:
Keep in mind, this is just one speculation on the given material in these books. |
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Aug 22 2007, 10:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 29-March 07 Member No.: 11,342 |
Nice Ancient :)
The question imho isnt how she survived, but why did she needed a pact with the shamans and shapeshifters to rule Yakut since if she survived for a hundred years without mana she must be quite powerfull :) I'm not an X-Files fan btw, i'm looking for traces of Barsaive in SR, so each time i see "archeological" or "ancient artifact" i'm trying to learn more about it. I know nothing about Australia in SR, but regarding craters and elves, could their be a link between Crater Lake and Tunguska ? |
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Aug 23 2007, 08:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Helsinki Member No.: 7,552 |
Everybody needs help. Dunkie, Lofwyr, Ghostwalker, everybody needs help. And even if they don't NEED it, it sure doesn't hurt. |
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Aug 23 2007, 01:53 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Impossible to say for certain, but there doesn't appear to be any. |
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Aug 26 2007, 03:37 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Spaceship theorists point to the fact that pics of the scene look like an massive bomb airburst. Well before nuclear weapons or FAE they thing a space ship.
The real blast is actually thought to have been a comet that coming real low in the environment the ice, melted to steam and burst the rock apart. Airburst |
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Aug 27 2007, 04:11 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
There's a ton of theories in RL, ranging from anything from a comet that airburst, to a geological event, to a Nikolai Tesla publicity stunt gone wrong (my favorite :cyber: ). All that's agreed upon is that it was the most powerful high-energy event to occur in recorded history.
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Aug 28 2007, 12:49 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 170 Joined: 23-March 06 From: Drowning in the pollution of Mass Bay Member No.: 8,401 |
Can anyone give me a reference for Shedim other than Shadows of Asia? Thank you! |
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Aug 28 2007, 01:19 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Year of the Comet, Threats 2.
~J |
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Aug 28 2007, 02:18 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
It predated Tesla by decades and being hundreds of miles in the middle of freaking no where it took the Russian army a few years to get out there. It was just too far for someone to haul conventional explosives or even beyond SOTA explosives. I mean why blow up freaking Siberia? It's like blowing up New Jersey, it'll be years before anyone notices and years more before anyone bothers to have a look. Seriously, ever seen the photos? It wasn't something from below the ground, people say airburst because it looks like a forest that had a big bomb airburst over it-around the blast point the trees were blow over so they point out from the center but at the heart of the blast they are upright, but the branchs are stripped. |
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Aug 28 2007, 04:02 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Detroit? |
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Aug 28 2007, 06:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Just like an airburst nuke. |
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