 Full Body Cyborgs?, SR or GitS? |
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 Aug 24 2007, 12:42 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668  |
the new Augmentations book lists "full body cyborgs" in it's options. does this seem like a logical development for SR OR is it trying to tap into the Ghost in the Shell market with way the comet surge seemed to be pushing other anime borders?
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Aug 24 2007, 12:48 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
I know that the subject of full-body conversions in Shadowrun have been around since 1989, at least in the circles I've been around. I'm pretty sure that's pre-GitS.
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Aug 24 2007, 12:54 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Actually, GitS seems to have had it's first run in May 1989... Cybertechnology should have been released later.
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Aug 24 2007, 02:24 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
It goes like this:
Shadowrun: We have cyberlimbs. Some player out there: Then I want a cyber-everything! Where there are cyberlimbs, there will be full 'borgs. :-) |
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Aug 24 2007, 02:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 13-April 07 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 11,448 |
pardon my rifts terms, but full-conversion cyborgs (a human brain inside a 100% machine body) are just plain cool. Especially considering the fact that the brain could survive about 300 years whereas our other biological support systems fail long before that(in less than 100 years usually). Also, a body comprised entirely of machinery has allure because people tend to think of machines as being able to do everything a human can do(physically), but faster, stronger, and more precise. Cyberpunk: 2020 (and V3) have had full-conversion 'borgs for a long time. Since they dont have the essence problem at all. Considering how much essence you lose just to have 4 cyberlimbs and a cybertorso, a full-conversion cyborg in shadowrun is likely a cyberzombie at best. Personally, if it were available, I'd go full-conversion without ever having regrets. |
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Aug 24 2007, 02:50 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
The technological development took pretty long actually - with DNI the true barrier for developing jarheads was broken decades before 2070. I just hope the link between brain and mind will not be broken.
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Aug 24 2007, 03:39 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
actually, if you just have alpha in each type of cyberlimb (and the two cybershells) it comes up below 6 essence cost. if you also have the right qualities, that can go even lower. you are, however, correct about it not being cheap. |
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Aug 24 2007, 03:46 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
well there was other risks in 2020, namely going cyberpsycho... but in v3 that concept is fully gone. hell, now you have a altcult where its expect that when a child reach adulthood, (s)he gets to choose a body. now thats a rite of passage! :eek: |
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Aug 24 2007, 05:17 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Yes. Ghost in the Machine was the first mention, ever, of cyborgs and people transfering their minds into robots. Anime was the first at everything. Why, I think anime even invented the wheel and the light bulb.
What the hell? |
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Aug 24 2007, 05:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,002 |
Meh. |
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Aug 24 2007, 05:29 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869 |
The Chinese invented cyborgs in 200 B.C. right before they invented spaghetti and the fork.
The Qin dynasty had an incredibly well-funded R&D program. |
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Aug 24 2007, 05:34 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Dude, that's such BS. They've found evidence of cyborgs inside egyption tombs that predate the chinese cyborgs by almost 2000 years. You think they had unmodified humans lifting those big f-ing bricks to build the pyramids? :D |
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Aug 24 2007, 06:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: 21-November 05 From: Oklahoma Member No.: 7,988 |
Ah, but you forget about the Anglos. It was in fact the English who first had use of cyborgs, which they used to heft those large rocks around for Stonehenge. Surely you don't really think that they moved the suckers around on logs. In fact, recent archeological discoveries have proven the use of cybernetic parts when they uncovered "Copernicus," the mummified corpse of an ancient cybered male. |
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Aug 24 2007, 07:00 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Stonehenge IS a full borg.
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Aug 24 2007, 07:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Kansas Member No.: 8,304 |
Your all wrong, resent Proof has shown what we all knew. thousands of years ago the Irish had a civilization far in advance of our own, and shadowrun...and anime :P
Though with out reason it collapsed, oh about the same time it seems they discovered alcohol. its just really weird. ((its true famly guy said so :) )) |
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Aug 24 2007, 08:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 12-April 06 Member No.: 8,455 |
Those are just copycats. Atlantis had full cyborg bodies with no essence cost.
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Aug 25 2007, 01:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 9-December 06 From: the Maaatlock-Expressway! Member No.: 10,326 |
Which Atlantis?
As there are about a dozen or so places right now claiming to be the one. The one I've been to, an island by the name of Santorini, even had proof, in the form of a glossy leaflet that they handed to tourists at the port. Apparently, that place was once called Thera. And they totally did Delta-Grade Cybermantic Surgery without evil blood-magic for only three fiffy. And they invented Elfbian Catgirl Ninja Assassins. And pizza-flavoured, caffeinated water. Anime, though, they want nuffin to do with. And I so gotta get my Paypal running so I can get Augmentation, not so much for the Fullborgs (though that's so 80's Robocop-ish and I am totally happy to finally see that in SR after all these years) but mainly because I read that there's some stuff that makes Cyberlimbs actually *gasp* useable... |
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Aug 25 2007, 03:47 AM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
There is only one Atlantis it is 10's of thousands of years old and not too long ago we found out where it was and how to get to it. Although travel to the Pegasus Galaxy is limited to a few specialists and military personnel for now one can hope they will soon allow others to visit. For now though they do have a live video journal type thing on the Sci-Fi network on Fridays. |
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Aug 25 2007, 04:04 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
SR's full-body cyborgs are very different from GitS. they appear more to be a continuation of plotlines introduced earlier in the metaplot than an attempt to recreate the Major in SR.
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Aug 25 2007, 02:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 251 Joined: 29-April 02 Member No.: 2,659 |
GitS 'borgs are purely digital entities. SR 'full conversions' are still meat, they've just been pared down as much as possible.
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Aug 25 2007, 03:18 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 26-February 07 From: Hildesheim, Germany Member No.: 11,107 |
Have you never heard of age-related mental-deseases like parkinson, altzheimer, or plain getting senile ? I think that about no brain will be 100% functional for about 300 years... |
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Aug 25 2007, 04:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 13-April 07 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 11,448 |
Senility is not necessarily linked to age, and neither is parkinsons or alzheimer's. In the latter two, they can be detected long before the full effects are ever felt. Perhaps, in the age of magic and nanotechnology, can be cured as well. |
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Aug 26 2007, 02:31 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,245 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Running the streets of Southeast Virginia Member No.: 11,548 |
One of the books in the fluff commentary has a note about brains in a jar jogging some old memory... Dune comes to mind and the name was Dune related. Those brains had been going for a VERY long time. |
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Aug 26 2007, 03:19 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
I think DLN means are they copying the popular anime instead coming up with something new. I think they probably were encouraged by the popularity of the anime but if you see the development form limbs, to full body and skull to cymbermancy you can see a logical progression.
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Aug 26 2007, 03:51 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
:rollin: |
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