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NightmareX
post Sep 6 2007, 08:07 AM
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It's a pretty standard trick I've seen people do who are not trained gymnasts. If you know the trick and are in decent shape it's not something that requires years of intense practice to do reliably.

Sounds good. Threshold 2 it is then :D
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post Sep 6 2007, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (NightmareX)
QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 2 2007, 04:15 AM)
It's a pretty standard trick I've seen people do who are not trained gymnasts.  If you know the trick and are in decent shape it's not something that requires years of intense practice to do reliably.

Sounds good. Threshold 2 it is then :D

Seriously, it should depend on bodyweight. This is my observation after many years as a martial arts/combative sports hobbyist. In fact, I'd categorize it as a gymnastics feat, albiet a simple one, rather than anything relating to combat ability.
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post Sep 7 2007, 03:12 AM
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Treshold = bod? or = bod/2 or bod/2 +1?
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post Sep 7 2007, 08:58 AM
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Ever get the idea that you're thinking about this "kippup" thing too hard? How about a simple stat + athletics skill to see if they pull off a cool move and make it easy on yourself and to keep the game flowing?
Another thing to mention is the fact that a kippup isn't a "free" movement. If you're up against anything but an untrained idiot (who will probably step back because they don't know what's up) your opponent will just step forward and punt you one while you're still trying to get your guard back up (as happened to me when I thought I was Jet Li once).

Just because it works on white belts doesn't mean it'll work against everyone...
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post Sep 7 2007, 09:00 AM
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I don't see why it would be a Free Action. Simple Action at best, win or lose.
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post Sep 7 2007, 09:04 AM
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More body doesn't automatically mean more weight.
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post Sep 7 2007, 09:04 AM
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It seems to be a simple action to get up normally (p137 'combat actions'). So the test is to see whether you can cut that to a free action or not.
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post Sep 7 2007, 09:06 AM
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I know. Hence why I don't see it being a Free Action as opposed to a colorful way of saying you're getting up. I've never seen it demonstrated as something that qualifies as a Free Action. If nothing else, the regular action to stand up should be a Complex Action instead.
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post Sep 8 2007, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin)
Seriously, it should depend on bodyweight. This is my observation after many years as a martial arts/combative sports hobbyist. In fact, I'd categorize it as a gymnastics feat, albiet a simple one, rather than anything relating to combat ability.

Actually, I wrote it as a gymnastics thing - it's just in the martial arts section for convienance and cause it was a 3rd edition maneuver (which is also where the Free action part came from).

As for basing the threshold on weight/Body, I totally see your point, but would like to keep it as simple as possible.
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