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 Sep 7 2007, 07:32 AM
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Free Spirit  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920  |
Yes, wait and PM that they have went to far. It takes out your guess work that they may intend going too far. Especially when inserted publicly in the thread. Then the entire community has to second guess where the line is moving.
Oh well is right. Why the hell ask me if I did not want or see the point in it being moved if it was going to get moved anyway? Or was that concerning another thread that got moved, also I felt inappropriately? (I will also relate this to how in US history the government has moved tribes, or relocated them to less desirable real estate. A great number of the tribals usually perished during the move. Related to my moved threads here on DS, they too have perished after the move.)
Because I felt it was on topic even less than what you were claiming my thread was. I got upset because it was a bit of censorship, it looked like you were way too easily influenced by frivolous suggestions, and because I did not think either thread merited being moved. If you want to shut down a thread, look how I was attacked in the Drop Bear thread. Maybe metaphorically, but the decisiveness made me wonder who I had pissed off and if some people were taking the opportunity to artfully flame me. This is conjecture and second guessing and I did not ask that the thread be locked or anyone reprimand over it, but again where do you draw the line? I would as soon see the line brought to attention after it has been crossed, then everyone can see where the line is.
And Dumpshock is not on the scale of the world. But I referenced historical incidents that I see being repeated on a smaller scale here. There is the saying those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I am trying to figure out if you are just repeating history or if you are using what you learned from history and implementing it in ways to bring DS around to your view of what it should be.
That's the problem though, in both your mod style and your analogy you are equalizing the potential to do something wrong with in fact doing something wrong. No one has sped, but you have been nice enough to let them go with a warning. :S Real world - if a police officer pulled me over because I was driving too close to the white line (or something else bogus that was not an crime) I would be irate. I would also assume they pulled me over to try to find something that was actually criminal.
Yes, I did. Read the thread. Count how many times he repeats his position - just in that thread, as apparently it was stated elsewhere a few times. Count how many people said enough is enough. Count how many times he tried to catch Synner in a lie. Way before Knasser ever entered the discussion it was apparent nobody was going to change their position. A simple in thread We may as well agree to disagree could have settled the derailment. Also, since you decided to PM Knasser with whatever warning, I think the guy provoking him and several other people, Doctor Funkenstein, should have gotten a similar warning. Really, someone that Doctor Funkenstein trusts as a friend should probably give him friendly PM reminders when he starts going off. Like I said, I have heard him admit he knows he does it but doesn't always catch himself. The friend could help keep him positively contributing. |
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Sep 7 2007, 07:44 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
And again, how do you know he didn't? He just isn't whining about it. |
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Sep 7 2007, 08:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Helsinki Member No.: 7,552 |
I truly enjoyed knasser's posts, but as the saying goes, if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. I think that whatever warning knasser received, it was deserved. There has to be rules, and if you don't like them, fine, leave. |
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Sep 7 2007, 08:25 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Kind of pulled out from the overall context of my post... I do not think either should have gotten PMed. If one deserves a PM, so does the other. I do not know on way or the other. I didn't PM him anything about it and he has not felt the need to PM me. Are you implying I'm a whiner? Where's that name calling line?;) If I am indeed whining, it is because of the many and varied moderator actions that keep coming to light. I believe you had a say about fixing posts. Stuff like that which seem to be killing this place for anything but the
I guess you could take the saying that way, but I figured it related to the interaction between Doc and Knasser and taking each others heat or getting out. Now it seems there are too many cooks in the kitchen. It will soon get too hot and everyone will burn.:) |
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Sep 7 2007, 08:35 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I promised myself that I'd stay out of this thread, but it's already doing what Knasser set it out to do so why not?
1. In the thread in question, I did nothing to "provoke" him. Didn't even mention his name or anything else; was just going on about how stupid having cybergenitalia was when more important information was cut from the book. Then, out of nowhere, he came flailing in with a rant and the insult. Hell, my only response was a "thanks for proving my point" in regards to the whole "people only respond to the cocks/tits part of the posts rather than the actual point." So... yeah. Whatever. 2. Regarding the warnings moderators give, it's unfair to say they're doing it inapproprately or using an example of them doing it if you toe the line. A more apt example would be if a moderator saw you stumbling out of a pub (so drunk you can barely stand let alone walk in a straight line), somehow make it to your car, spend ten minutes trying to get the key in the lock, fall inside, spend another ten minutes trying to hook up the seatbelt, another twenty trying to figure out how the key fits in the ignition, and then finally turning the ignition on. Then the moderator stops in and is all, "Dude, you don't wanna do that. You'll totally get arrested or worse." I'm pretty stoned on pain killers at the moment after some outpatient surgery, so I'mma be quiet now. But just wanted to say those two things at least. |
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Sep 7 2007, 08:41 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
It was the only part I cared to comment on.
Not at all. I don't know quite how you would get that. Did you get a warning PM and then create a thread simply to garner sympathy? If not, then I couldn't possibly have been referring to you, could it? What you have done is jumped gleefully into the thread with both feet to stir shit with wild abandon, but that isn't my problem. |
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Sep 7 2007, 09:04 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,955 Joined: 6-December 06 From: Payson, Utah Member No.: 10,237 |
Alright. Give me a moment to word this right.
Knasser and Doc had some words on a post. Knasser made a no-no and was politley asked by a mod not to do it again, as he should have. As well as doc. Knasser decides hes being censored so he leaves. Than a bunch of bored people decided to wage war over it. Sound stupid yet? Well It looks that way from here. For starters, the mods do there jobs, and well. They run the sight, they make sure rules are being followed, but not too strictly, and they keep order here so we can all enjoy each others opinions and dumpshock in all its glory. If Knasser thinks hes being "censored" and wants to leave, fine. Good Riddence. You annoyed the hell out of me anyway. If you truly beleive you're being censored, come to Utah. THATS censorship. tisoz- Are you actually comparing threads on dumpshock to the Holocaust and Natives dying in a relocation? F&T3.0 is right, you HAVE overreacted. This is a forum site, not real life. Unless this is your real life, than I just pity you. Grow up bud. And as for everyone else mod-bashing, get all the dictionary's you want, use all the biggest words you can think of to justify something that doesnt even matter. Its all stupid, and heresay. Grow up, get back to enjoying each others oppinions, and lets all move on with our lives, eh? |
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Sep 7 2007, 09:06 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I may have started a thread or two after some moderator actions, so I guess I'm a whiner. I jumped in because I dislike the direction the moderation has taken. And, as mfb referred to in another thread, frustration with things in RL tend to lead to angry posts. So I will try to shut up about this as best I can manage.
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Sep 7 2007, 09:36 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I managed that poorly.
How, exactly, is seeing similar trends and tactics overreacting? Comparing the scope of events is overreacting and I do not believe I ever said or implied any such thing.
The discussion going on here is real. It is not imaginary, nor is it fictional. I am left to believe that you are bashing me for your entertainment, or your amusement as it is not real and no one here has real feelings?
This sounds like a violation of the Terms of Service as name calling and a personal attack. Just curious, but SinN, what is your relationship to fistandantilus3.0? |
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Sep 7 2007, 09:45 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
LMAO! At least you're honest. :D |
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Sep 7 2007, 10:16 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
This is an awful fucking lot of drama over someone getting a warning PM, not even a time out or a banned account or anything else. Just a PM.
I like Knasser, don't get me wrong. I've had my share of disagreements with the mods in the past (even the recent past), and I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling in my tummy when I think about Doc Funkenstein, most of the time, either -- but Knasser called Doc a dick (no matter how cutely or innocently he tried to phrase it), and then got asked not to do it again. That's all that happened. Everything that's happening past that is no one's fault but Knasser's. He didn't get kicked off, and moderator action did not cause him to leave (if he is, in fact, still leaving despite the new shrine to him and the protests in the streets and all that). The chip on his shoulder about being "censored" caused him to leave, if anything did, and that's a private issue he's got (which has nothing to actually do with the Terms of Service, following them, or the moderating style on Dumpshock). It's like a cop saw a car speeding, flashed his lights for a second to show the driver he was there, but let the driver keep going without getting a ticket or even getting pulled over -- and then the imaginary driver of that imaginary car went home and shot himself over it, and the community is rallying with cries of "ZOMG teh cops killed somboddy!!!!" It doesn't really matter what deep-rooted personal issues he has with censorship, he agreed to the Terms of Service when he made an account and he didn't even get a ban (temporary or otherwise) for violating them. Now he's stirring shit up from beyond the grave, and has people marching around with their fists in the air, rambling about the Holocaust and getting ready to crank up some Rage Against The Machine or something, 'cause The Man's got them down and they aren't gonna take it any more. Seriously, people. Christ. It was a PM warning, not the mods storming his house and murdering his family. Calm down. Comparing a PM to the Holocaust or reservations/relocations is just fucking ridiculous, and insulting to those who did suffer under oppressive regimes. You're talking about a PM that was sent internet message board, and not a very special one. Come on. You're smarter than this. |
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Sep 7 2007, 10:24 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I :love: Critias. (Still riding the pain killer high. Shut up.)
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Sep 7 2007, 01:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 121 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,325 |
Critias...I... I think I love you. Best. Post. Evar. You WIN teh internets debate! EDIT FOR CONTENT: Also, I have to pitch in with a similar, "I like reading Doc's and Knassers stuff, though I've never been caught up in the proverbial sniping that apparently goes on between them over peni...penises? Penussses? Whatever. Shame that Knasser got upset. Would have liked to read more. So...darn." As to the moderator issue, just see my praise and adoration of Critias' excellent post to see where I stand on that. |
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Sep 7 2007, 01:31 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
"So long...farewell...auf wiedersehen, good night. Good byyyyye...good byyyyyyye....good byyyyyyyyyyye...."
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Sep 7 2007, 02:12 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Critias, you made my day - great post! :)
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Sep 7 2007, 02:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 519 Joined: 27-August 02 From: Queensland Member No.: 3,180 |
What about cyber-genitalia? I mean, what's all this about cyber-genitalia? |
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Sep 7 2007, 03:27 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Check the "Augmentation Review"-thread and you'll know it...
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Sep 7 2007, 04:25 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
As a complete and total tangent, as I understand it you are legally drunk driving as soon as the vehicle is on. You don't actually have to move. So someone sitting in a parking lot with the car idling and listening to the radio while they wait to sober up can get busted for drunk driving. Of course, it's just something I heard, so it's probably BS anyway. Oh I'm sorry, did I derail an important thread? Let me contribute to the current topic: Critias, nice post. ;) |
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Sep 7 2007, 04:27 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
*dies with laughter* Thank you Critias.
I needed to laugh as hard as I did. Which was "hard enough I thought I was going to pee". |
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Sep 7 2007, 07:58 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,955 Joined: 6-December 06 From: Payson, Utah Member No.: 10,237 |
Just a good friend. The one who showed me dumpshock and shadowrun and such. Used to live near me, now lives elsewhere. We still talk. Good guy. |
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Sep 7 2007, 08:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 10,517 |
According to Canada's Criminal Code: Operation while impaired 253. Every one commits an offence who operates a motor vehicle or vessel or operates or assists in the operation of an aircraft or of railway equipment or has the care or control of a motor vehicle, vessel, aircraft or railway equipment, whether it is in motion or not. Apperently, here in Canada, someone is considered to 'have the care or control' of a motor vehicle if they're sitting in the driver's seat. So you can be arrested for DUI if you're sitting in the driver's seat of your car even if it's not started yet. So, if you're sleeping off the alcohol, sleep in the backseat. Getting back on topic, I'm sad that Knasser is leaving, but I feel that he's overreacting a tad. PS: I knew working at a law firm would come in handy eventually. |
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Sep 7 2007, 08:04 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,955 Joined: 6-December 06 From: Payson, Utah Member No.: 10,237 |
Yeah who knew we'd need a lawyer to settle an argument on dumpshock? :rotfl: |
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Sep 7 2007, 08:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 10,517 |
To be fair, I am not actually a lawyer, just a clerk. I don't want anyone thinking that I'm more important than I actually am, or anything... ;) |
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Sep 7 2007, 09:00 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,288 Joined: 4-September 06 From: The Scandinavian Federation Member No.: 9,300 |
AH cmon! I'm sure there's a ruleslawyer in you deep somewhere :P We don't deny it :) |
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Sep 7 2007, 09:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 10,517 |
Well yeah, I guess I'm a lawyer in that kind of way, just not in the "I passed the bar exam" kinda way. ;) |
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